My A 400 wont shoot???

pabuckslayer08 · July 3, 2011, 02:01 PM

Guys after deciding after 3 months of looking I got a A 400 Xplor Unico KO. The guns awsome to shoot but it just wont shoot staight at all. No matter what you do your 3 feet high. If you cheat up on it your high, get low on it your high, hold the beed low your high, hold the bead on your high, hold the bead high and well your high. Ive run a skid of ammo through it now just seeing what I need to do and im now beyond frustrated. Ive spend 1700 bucks on the gun and shot several hundred dollars of ammo and accomplished nothing over my old guns. Is there something Im missing or are the guns made this way. If its something they designed them to do, well its dumb

oneounceload · July 3, 2011, 02:14 PM

All that PM didn't work?

Have you checked the shims that come with it? There are shim for both RH and LH and to raise/lower the POI - perhaps they need to be swapped?

My wife's is dead on where she points it - in order to fit her, it then does not fit me - I have to "scrunch" up on it and really keep my head down or I see rib and shoot high

.300 Weatherby Mag · July 3, 2011, 02:18 PM

Pa,

Listen to oneounce... Check your shims!!!

jfire3134 · July 3, 2011, 02:34 PM

I'm thinking of getting an A400. Are you saying there's a shim, even with the Kick Off system? Does it adjust the POI up and down?

pabuckslayer08 · July 3, 2011, 02:35 PM

Ya know after everything I pm'ed you about thats one thing I didnt ask, exactly how do they work. I felt as though it fit well but if you give me a little inside as to how it works ill try it here and let you know

jfire3134 · July 3, 2011, 02:41 PM

oneounce how do you like it? I'm 5'9, 135 lbs. Pretty small framed. I went and held the 391 and a400. I really liked the way the a400 felt.

oneounceload · July 3, 2011, 02:59 PM

JM, my wife is about your height (and I won't say a word about a woman's weight on the internet, good or bad) she likes the way it came set up from a friend we bought it from. Personally, I think it is just a skosh too long, but she likes it and shoots well. She has only shot sporting about a dozen times and her best was a 65/100. I reload a 7/8oz load running about 1225-1250 give or take. I will say it even ran my 3/4oz reloads except when it got colder. That would be solved by a little more powder or a hotter primer

PA - there's a "technopolymer" (Beretta's word for wonder plastic) and a stainless steel one. The plastic goes in between the the stock and the receiver and the s.s. goes inside the stock. On page 33 of the manual it starts to explain how to change them and warns that they need to be synchronized - RH with RH, LH with LH. You can make changes for cast on or off and the amount of drop. Our gun came with two sets of shims/spacers

HTH

LSnSC · July 3, 2011, 03:06 PM

The higher the number on the shim, the more drop at the heel. They should be an SX and DX as well. DX is cast off for righties and the SX is cast on for lefties. The shim needs need to match the plate in the stock.

pabuckslayer08 · July 3, 2011, 03:07 PM

It had the 60 DX in it, if im hitting high would I want to go to the 65 or the 50 or 55

jfire3134 · July 3, 2011, 03:09 PM

Thanks for the input. I think you had posted on my shotgunworld thread about how I should consider the xplor over the light, for duck and clays as well as dove and quail. So that's the route I've decided to go. I'll cough up the extra $$ for a little extra weight and capability.

I've been keeping an eye out for any negatives about the a400. so far there's a lot more good than bad!

LSnSC · July 3, 2011, 03:16 PM

What distance are you checking your POI?
Do you see alot of rib when you have it mounted?
The 65 might help some but 3 feet is WAY high.
Remenber your eye is the back sight , so for poi to go down your eye must go down.

pabuckslayer08 · July 3, 2011, 03:23 PM

30 yards, I tried the 50 first and it went to 5 feet high so im getting the 65 in now, ill let ya know in 5 min

pabuckslayer08 · July 3, 2011, 03:39 PM

Well it was 3 ft up and after putting the 65 in now its 1 foot up and out of adjustment. It feels great and I can get as low as possible and it still aint on, and I even shoot off the top of the bead rather than covering

pabuckslayer08 · July 3, 2011, 04:32 PM

Can you mix shims together from front and back to make a bigger difference. From the case it had the 60 DX on the front and back and shot way high 2.5-3ft every time, tried the 50 DX on both and made it much worse, went to the 65 DX and it helped bring it down to 1.5-2ft high everytime and the gun felt great. I could pull up with my eyes shot and everything lined up perfect. But you lay the bead on the X at 30 yards and its 1.5ft high. I just dont get it, Ive tried Winchester 9 shot and 7.5 shot, Federal 7.5 shot, Federal 6 shot, Remington 8 shot and its all the same. Then went on and tried to change form and though it felt way wrong it was still high no matter what. Should I call Beretta or is there still something Im missing

TheKlawMan · July 3, 2011, 07:05 PM

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But you lay the bead on the X at 30 yards and its 1.5ft high.

Forgive me if I confuse things, PA, but is the bead supposed to be "on" the POA or should the target's 6 o'clock resting on top of the bead?

oneounceload · July 3, 2011, 07:45 PM

Make sure the shims match as per the instruction manual; the other suggestion is to have someone else similar in size/weight try it to see how they do. The reason is, it might not be the gun, it might have to do with you - eyes, shoulder, etc. Had a friend who was having trouble suddenly hitting targets - tried adjusting everything on the gun - wasn't the gun, he had developed cataracts and needed surgery - point is this, if everything has been changed and checked, and it isn't a bent barrel or similar, then there might be alternative causes to be investigated - it could something as simple as the ammo you are using - just like metallic, shotguns develop a preference for certain ammo over others

Good luck, let us know

pabuckslayer08 · July 3, 2011, 09:37 PM

Ok I will keep an update, as far as mixing right handed shims is it ok. Like now I have a 65 up front and a 65 in the rear, what would happen if I were to put say a 65 up front and a 55 at the rear. Wouldnt that technically drop the heel more

LSnSC · July 4, 2011, 07:34 AM

It might damage the stock. The plates are drilled to match the shims.

pabuckslayer08 · July 4, 2011, 08:31 AM

O ok, well I wont try that then

TheKlawMan · July 4, 2011, 07:09 PM

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what would happen if I were to put say a 65 up front and a 55 at the rear.

Per the manual, "The drop and cast of the front spacer and
plate must always be synchronised."

pabuckslayer08 · July 4, 2011, 09:09 PM

Yea im not going to try that. Im going to shoot it some more tomorrow and see now that im a little more relaxed and have a 65s on the front and back. Im also going to shoot for my POI at the 6 o clock position off the top of the bead rather than covering the target with the entire bead

pabuckslayer08 · July 5, 2011, 07:07 PM

Well I tryed some more and had some of my friends shoot it and its the same, so Im calling them ASAP in the morning

pabuckslayer08 · July 7, 2011, 04:00 PM

Beretta is in the process of a exchange, it was sent off to Gunsmithing LTD in CT for examination.

TheKlawMan · July 7, 2011, 04:11 PM

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Beretta is in the process of a exchange, it was sent off to Gunsmithing LTD in CT for examination.

What is a "process of exchange". You bought a new gun and they should either fix it or give you a new one, but not a used gun turned in for repair by someone else.

BigJimP · July 7, 2011, 05:15 PM

I'm sure they won't send him a re-conditioned gun ....they'll either fix it or replace it if its not relatively easy to fix ....but its the mfg's choice, in most cases, if you read the warranty carefully.

But most guns are easily fixed by the authorized service centers ....

July 3, 2011, 02:01 PM	#1
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	My A 400 wont shoot??? Guys after deciding after 3 months of looking I got a A 400 Xplor Unico KO. The guns awsome to shoot but it just wont shoot staight at all. No matter what you do your 3 feet high. If you cheat up on it your high, get low on it your high, hold the beed low your high, hold the bead on your high, hold the bead high and well your high. Ive run a skid of ammo through it now just seeing what I need to do and im now beyond frustrated. Ive spend 1700 bucks on the gun and shot several hundred dollars of ammo and accomplished nothing over my old guns. Is there something Im missing or are the guns made this way. If its something they designed them to do, well its dumb

July 3, 2011, 02:14 PM	#2
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	All that PM didn't work? Have you checked the shims that come with it? There are shim for both RH and LH and to raise/lower the POI - perhaps they need to be swapped? My wife's is dead on where she points it - in order to fit her, it then does not fit me - I have to "scrunch" up on it and really keep my head down or I see rib and shoot high

July 3, 2011, 02:18 PM	#3
.300 Weatherby Mag Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 1,777	Pa, Listen to oneounce... Check your shims!!!

July 3, 2011, 02:34 PM	#4
jfire3134 Junior Member Join Date: April 25, 2011 Posts: 8	I'm thinking of getting an A400. Are you saying there's a shim, even with the Kick Off system? Does it adjust the POI up and down?

July 3, 2011, 02:35 PM	#5
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	Ya know after everything I pm'ed you about thats one thing I didnt ask, exactly how do they work. I felt as though it fit well but if you give me a little inside as to how it works ill try it here and let you know

July 3, 2011, 02:41 PM	#6
jfire3134 Junior Member Join Date: April 25, 2011 Posts: 8	oneounce how do you like it? I'm 5'9, 135 lbs. Pretty small framed. I went and held the 391 and a400. I really liked the way the a400 felt.

July 3, 2011, 02:59 PM	#7
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	JM, my wife is about your height (and I won't say a word about a woman's weight on the internet, good or bad) she likes the way it came set up from a friend we bought it from. Personally, I think it is just a skosh too long, but she likes it and shoots well. She has only shot sporting about a dozen times and her best was a 65/100. I reload a 7/8oz load running about 1225-1250 give or take. I will say it even ran my 3/4oz reloads except when it got colder. That would be solved by a little more powder or a hotter primer PA - there's a "technopolymer" (Beretta's word for wonder plastic) and a stainless steel one. The plastic goes in between the the stock and the receiver and the s.s. goes inside the stock. On page 33 of the manual it starts to explain how to change them and warns that they need to be synchronized - RH with RH, LH with LH. You can make changes for cast on or off and the amount of drop. Our gun came with two sets of shims/spacers HTH

July 3, 2011, 03:06 PM	#8
LSnSC Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2010 Posts: 514	The higher the number on the shim, the more drop at the heel. They should be an SX and DX as well. DX is cast off for righties and the SX is cast on for lefties. The shim needs need to match the plate in the stock.

July 3, 2011, 03:07 PM	#9
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	It had the 60 DX in it, if im hitting high would I want to go to the 65 or the 50 or 55

July 3, 2011, 03:09 PM	#10
jfire3134 Junior Member Join Date: April 25, 2011 Posts: 8	Thanks for the input. I think you had posted on my shotgunworld thread about how I should consider the xplor over the light, for duck and clays as well as dove and quail. So that's the route I've decided to go. I'll cough up the extra $$ for a little extra weight and capability. I've been keeping an eye out for any negatives about the a400. so far there's a lot more good than bad!

July 3, 2011, 03:16 PM	#11
LSnSC Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2010 Posts: 514	What distance are you checking your POI? Do you see alot of rib when you have it mounted? The 65 might help some but 3 feet is WAY high. Remenber your eye is the back sight , so for poi to go down your eye must go down.

July 3, 2011, 03:23 PM	#12
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	30 yards, I tried the 50 first and it went to 5 feet high so im getting the 65 in now, ill let ya know in 5 min

July 3, 2011, 03:39 PM	#13
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	Well it was 3 ft up and after putting the 65 in now its 1 foot up and out of adjustment. It feels great and I can get as low as possible and it still aint on, and I even shoot off the top of the bead rather than covering

July 3, 2011, 04:32 PM	#14
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	Can you mix shims together from front and back to make a bigger difference. From the case it had the 60 DX on the front and back and shot way high 2.5-3ft every time, tried the 50 DX on both and made it much worse, went to the 65 DX and it helped bring it down to 1.5-2ft high everytime and the gun felt great. I could pull up with my eyes shot and everything lined up perfect. But you lay the bead on the X at 30 yards and its 1.5ft high. I just dont get it, Ive tried Winchester 9 shot and 7.5 shot, Federal 7.5 shot, Federal 6 shot, Remington 8 shot and its all the same. Then went on and tried to change form and though it felt way wrong it was still high no matter what. Should I call Beretta or is there still something Im missing

July 3, 2011, 07:45 PM	#16
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Make sure the shims match as per the instruction manual; the other suggestion is to have someone else similar in size/weight try it to see how they do. The reason is, it might not be the gun, it might have to do with you - eyes, shoulder, etc. Had a friend who was having trouble suddenly hitting targets - tried adjusting everything on the gun - wasn't the gun, he had developed cataracts and needed surgery - point is this, if everything has been changed and checked, and it isn't a bent barrel or similar, then there might be alternative causes to be investigated - it could something as simple as the ammo you are using - just like metallic, shotguns develop a preference for certain ammo over others Good luck, let us know

July 3, 2011, 09:37 PM	#17
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	Ok I will keep an update, as far as mixing right handed shims is it ok. Like now I have a 65 up front and a 65 in the rear, what would happen if I were to put say a 65 up front and a 55 at the rear. Wouldnt that technically drop the heel more

July 4, 2011, 07:34 AM	#18
LSnSC Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2010 Posts: 514	It might damage the stock. The plates are drilled to match the shims.

July 4, 2011, 08:31 AM	#19
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	O ok, well I wont try that then

July 4, 2011, 09:09 PM	#21
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	Yea im not going to try that. Im going to shoot it some more tomorrow and see now that im a little more relaxed and have a 65s on the front and back. Im also going to shoot for my POI at the 6 o clock position off the top of the bead rather than covering the target with the entire bead

July 5, 2011, 07:07 PM	#22
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	Well I tryed some more and had some of my friends shoot it and its the same, so Im calling them ASAP in the morning

July 7, 2011, 04:00 PM	#23
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	Beretta is in the process of a exchange, it was sent off to Gunsmithing LTD in CT for examination.

July 7, 2011, 05:15 PM	#25
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	I'm sure they won't send him a re-conditioned gun ....they'll either fix it or replace it if its not relatively easy to fix ....but its the mfg's choice, in most cases, if you read the warranty carefully. But most guns are easily fixed by the authorized service centers ....