Accurizing Your Inline Rifle

Sure Shot Mc Gee · June 10, 2013, 08:42 PM

Curious. I wonder. Has anyone tried to glass bed a inline style of rifle?

2. If so who's brand of rifle/model did you do it too?

3. Any tricks of the trade you could share?

4. When completed was there an improvement in its overall accuracy seen?

5. Are there any Web Links available for this type of job concerning B/P rifles?

I'd appreciate any comments concerning this subject. Perhaps its been done. Maybe not. Its never to late to learn.

S/S

BirchOrr · June 11, 2013, 12:32 AM

... this is not really needed in modern in-lines. The stocks (composite) fit so well, along with the limb-saver recoil pads, (step up to) a "bone-collector" rifle with recoil stock, this is already done. Ya get what ya pay for.

Anymore, I'm darn careful what I say here as so many "regulars" despise in-lines or anything designed after 1899. This is unfortunate as everything has it's place.

Birch

**4V50 Gary** · June 11, 2013, 06:35 AM

As with any other firearm, it's consistency. Stable stock (synthetic and not affected by humidity), consistent tightening of action to stock, same powder charge, same cap, weighed bullets and same sabots.

Sure Shot Mc Gee · June 11, 2013, 07:36 AM

Well see > I learned something again. I didn't know the job of bedding isn't needed on a composite stocked B/P rifle. As the manufactures and the way they make things these days (quick) I thought there may have been a difference between a modern rifles stock and a B/P composite one in their mold materials or processes. Where they may have been again prone to humidity or temperature changes. I've been wondering for awhile why no one has brought up this subject here. Now I know why no one bothered too._

S/S

**4V50 Gary** · June 11, 2013, 07:57 AM

Sure_Shot - do inlines come with wood or synthetic? Never examined them myself.

Pahoo · June 11, 2013, 10:10 AM

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Anymore, I'm darn careful what I say here as so many "regulars" despise in-lines or anything designed after 1899. This is unfortunate as everything has it's place.

No need to do that as this emotion is wasted on in-lines. Even though they don't touch my heart as my SideLocks do, they do have a place and following, in our forum. ....

At this time, I can honestly say that I do not know how many SideLocks I own. No matter as there is always room for one more. In fact, I have my eye on two. ...

Currently, I am down to one In-Line, synthetic, thumbhole stock and 4 X illuminated reticle scope. I'm am very satisfied with it's performance, as is. ..

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Sure_Shot - do inlines come with wood or synthetic? Never examined them myself.

They come both ways and there are more than you can shake a stick at. ..

Be Safe !!!

Sure Shot Mc Gee · June 11, 2013, 10:10 AM

"Never examined them myself." well I'll be a Monkeys Uncle if that's the case.

Good thing you haven't 4V50 Gary. The manufactures claim they shoot and fit the shoulder so well. Even us Traditionalists quite possibly would turn our head these days for a little sneak-a-peek. And perhaps be persuaded to shoulder one in the dark of night. Their that nice now. I'm pretty sure I would rather not own one personally. {I wouldn't mine buying one for my wife'ee though. I think she'd look good carrying around one of them there Omega real stainless steel ones} We'll see._

Here I thought you were still sleeping Pahoo. I know how you guys down there in corn country like to sleep in._

S/S

Pahoo · June 12, 2013, 02:15 PM

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Here I thought you were still sleeping Pahoo. I know how you guys down there in corn country like to sleep in._

What are you talking about, man !! ..

I'll have you know that every morning, I get up at the crack of 0800 hrs. ..

Now, for my Texas Brothers; that's 8:00 AM
For my Wisconsin Brothers; The big hand is on 12 and the little hand, on 8.

Be Safe !!!

Wild Bill Bucks · June 12, 2013, 02:44 PM

I've owned several in-lines, and have found that most of them will shoot pretty well right out of the box. I have had two rifles that required a little bore polish to get the riflings smoothed down. If you are buying a new rifle, the filings will still be on the riflings from where they were cut, and if you use a bore scope, the riflings will look like a hack saw blade. I always run a dry cotton ball down the barrel and look through it to see if I can see pieces of cotton all up and down the barrel.
Most of these will smooth out after 50 or 60 rounds with a conical bullet, but if you start out shooting sabots, it will take forever to smooth them down, so I find it easier to do a little bore polishing with a fine polishing cream, before I go to the range to sight in. About 50 strokes, counting in & out as 1 stroke, will generally do the trick, and it will make your groups a lot tighter right off the bat. Everything else is just consistency in loading, and bullet & sabot combo until you get what you want.

Sure Shot Mc Gee · June 12, 2013, 09:42 PM

Wild Bill Bucks: The two rifles you found to have rough rifling. Were they made in this country or imports? Reason to ask. I would hope this country's manufactures would catch that type of defect with their quality control inspectors. Over seas I'm not so sure.
Even so your knowledge of fine tuning a rifles accuracy. Starting first with perhaps its bores roughness is indeed appreciated._

S/s

Pahoo · June 13, 2013, 10:14 AM

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If you are buying a new rifle, the filings will still be on the riflings from where they were cut, and if you use a bore scope, the riflings will look like a hack saw blade.

I have seen this and usually my first indication, is when I run a cleaning patch down the bore. On new rifles, I always read the patch or sabot. You will clearly see cuts as oppose to burning. I then run a patched round ball up and down the bore to smooth out. Most times, I just shoot and keep reading the patch. .....

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Were they made in this country or imports?

Will not single them out but have only seen this on imports and it is not a big problem. ...

Be Safe !!!

Wild Bill Bucks · June 13, 2013, 11:01 AM

Sure Shot,
One was a Thompson encore and the other was a Savage MLII. I wouldn't call them defects as much as I would say the clean up wasn't very good when the riflings were put in.

Wouldn't take for either rifle, as both shoot extremely well.

Sure Shot Mc Gee · June 13, 2013, 03:32 PM

That surprises me Wild Bill Bucks. But I suppose it can happen to any manufacture (one or two slip by)

n5lyc · June 15, 2013, 09:40 PM

I started shooting bp revolvers in the late 70's, and introduced a friend of mine to it, he thought it was fun. He is a "name brand" kind of guy. After he bought a uberti (at my urging) since i knew he is all about fit and finish, after he decided he was hooked, he bought a Colt by name reissue black powder 1860 revolver.

We went out and shot it, and could not keep a hand sized pattern (to big to be called a group) at 15 yds.

After 3 cylinders, I took it apart to clean it, ran a patch through the barrel and it was smooth, no rifling, it missed that process.

I showed him the "problem" he was ecstatic.

We gave it a through cleaning, and to this day, it still sits on his mantle in a glass lid display case.

He bought another to shoot, and he has been offered quite a lot of money for the smooth bore 1860.
But he refuses to sell it.

(Since he has never married, has no kids, I told him he better leave it to me in his will since I am the reason he started down the black powder path.)

How it missed the QC, I don't know, but it does show, ANY manufacturer can miss something...

June 10, 2013, 08:42 PM	#1
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	Accurizing Your Inline Rifle Curious. I wonder. Has anyone tried to glass bed a inline style of rifle? 2. If so who's brand of rifle/model did you do it too? 3. Any tricks of the trade you could share? 4. When completed was there an improvement in its overall accuracy seen? 5. Are there any Web Links available for this type of job concerning B/P rifles? I'd appreciate any comments concerning this subject. Perhaps its been done. Maybe not. Its never to late to learn. S/S

June 11, 2013, 12:32 AM	#2
BirchOrr Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Eaton Rapids, MI Posts: 445	In reality... ... this is not really needed in modern in-lines. The stocks (composite) fit so well, along with the limb-saver recoil pads, (step up to) a "bone-collector" rifle with recoil stock, this is already done. Ya get what ya pay for. Anymore, I'm darn careful what I say here as so many "regulars" despise in-lines or anything designed after 1899. This is unfortunate as everything has it's place. Birch __________________ Black Powder: Not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win...

June 11, 2013, 06:35 AM	#3
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,831	As with any other firearm, it's consistency. Stable stock (synthetic and not affected by humidity), consistent tightening of action to stock, same powder charge, same cap, weighed bullets and same sabots. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

June 11, 2013, 07:57 AM	#5
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,831	Sure_Shot - do inlines come with wood or synthetic? Never examined them myself. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

June 11, 2013, 10:10 AM	#7
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	"Never examined them myself." well I'll be a Monkeys Uncle if that's the case. Good thing you haven't 4V50 Gary. The manufactures claim they shoot and fit the shoulder so well. Even us Traditionalists quite possibly would turn our head these days for a little sneak-a-peek. And perhaps be persuaded to shoulder one in the dark of night. Their that nice now. I'm pretty sure I would rather not own one personally. {I wouldn't mine buying one for my wife'ee though. I think she'd look good carrying around one of them there Omega real stainless steel ones} We'll see._ Here I thought you were still sleeping Pahoo. I know how you guys down there in corn country like to sleep in._ S/S Last edited by Sure Shot Mc Gee; June 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM.

June 11, 2013, 07:36 AM	#4
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	Well see > I learned something again. I didn't know the job of bedding isn't needed on a composite stocked B/P rifle. As the manufactures and the way they make things these days (quick) I thought there may have been a difference between a modern rifles stock and a B/P composite one in their mold materials or processes. Where they may have been again prone to humidity or temperature changes. I've been wondering for awhile why no one has brought up this subject here. Now I know why no one bothered too._ S/S

June 12, 2013, 02:44 PM	#9
Wild Bill Bucks Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2005 Location: Southeastern Oklahoma, Next door to Sasquatch Posts: 1,266	I've owned several in-lines, and have found that most of them will shoot pretty well right out of the box. I have had two rifles that required a little bore polish to get the riflings smoothed down. If you are buying a new rifle, the filings will still be on the riflings from where they were cut, and if you use a bore scope, the riflings will look like a hack saw blade. I always run a dry cotton ball down the barrel and look through it to see if I can see pieces of cotton all up and down the barrel. Most of these will smooth out after 50 or 60 rounds with a conical bullet, but if you start out shooting sabots, it will take forever to smooth them down, so I find it easier to do a little bore polishing with a fine polishing cream, before I go to the range to sight in. About 50 strokes, counting in & out as 1 stroke, will generally do the trick, and it will make your groups a lot tighter right off the bat. Everything else is just consistency in loading, and bullet & sabot combo until you get what you want.

June 12, 2013, 09:42 PM	#10
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	Wild Bill Bucks: The two rifles you found to have rough rifling. Were they made in this country or imports? Reason to ask. I would hope this country's manufactures would catch that type of defect with their quality control inspectors. Over seas I'm not so sure. Even so your knowledge of fine tuning a rifles accuracy. Starting first with perhaps its bores roughness is indeed appreciated._ S/s

June 13, 2013, 11:01 AM	#12
Wild Bill Bucks Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2005 Location: Southeastern Oklahoma, Next door to Sasquatch Posts: 1,266	Sure Shot, One was a Thompson encore and the other was a Savage MLII. I wouldn't call them defects as much as I would say the clean up wasn't very good when the riflings were put in. Wouldn't take for either rifle, as both shoot extremely well.

June 13, 2013, 03:32 PM	#13
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	That surprises me Wild Bill Bucks. But I suppose it can happen to any manufacture (one or two slip by)

June 15, 2013, 09:40 PM	#14
n5lyc Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2009 Posts: 180	One or two slipping by.. I started shooting bp revolvers in the late 70's, and introduced a friend of mine to it, he thought it was fun. He is a "name brand" kind of guy. After he bought a uberti (at my urging) since i knew he is all about fit and finish, after he decided he was hooked, he bought a Colt by name reissue black powder 1860 revolver. We went out and shot it, and could not keep a hand sized pattern (to big to be called a group) at 15 yds. After 3 cylinders, I took it apart to clean it, ran a patch through the barrel and it was smooth, no rifling, it missed that process. I showed him the "problem" he was ecstatic. We gave it a through cleaning, and to this day, it still sits on his mantle in a glass lid display case. He bought another to shoot, and he has been offered quite a lot of money for the smooth bore 1860. But he refuses to sell it. (Since he has never married, has no kids, I told him he better leave it to me in his will since I am the reason he started down the black powder path.) How it missed the QC, I don't know, but it does show, ANY manufacturer can miss something...

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