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Newtimer · May 26, 2009, 05:33 AM

Is Universal and Universal Clays the same powder?

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 · May 26, 2009, 07:18 AM

G'day and welcome to TFL. the short answer is NO.

Here is another related thread.
This is from the Sierra reloading manual.

Quote:

Universal Clays should not be confused with Hodgdon’s Clays, or International Clays. These three powders are different and should not be interchanged

ADI/HODGDON propellantsand Hodgen doesn't make their own powder, so I am told are a couple of other threads at TFL that you might find worth reading.

Sevens · May 26, 2009, 07:20 AM

Yes. Where the confusion comes in is that Clays, Universal Clays and International Clays are all different powders.

Universal and Universal Clays is the same thing.

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 · May 26, 2009, 07:29 AM

G'day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sevens

Universal and Universal Clays is the same thing.

Sevens. Are you saying that Universal is short for Universal Clays and that Hodgdon’s Clays, and International Clays are both different?

Jim Watson · May 26, 2009, 07:38 AM

That is what he is saying and that is what is so.

The powders were introuduced as Clays, International Clays, and Universal Clays, but reloaders had trouble understanding two words at a time so the designations have been being abbreviated to Clays, International, and Universal.

Sevens · May 26, 2009, 07:52 AM

Yep.
Hodgdon made this mess. Most load data refers to them as Clays, International and Universal. But Hodgdon still writes "clays" on the actual bottles... I think?

We had a thread about this quite recently. No doubt, this was a lot of stupid confusion on the part of Hodgdon. Really ignorant to name them in this manner, because switching powders accidentally is not like dumping a little salt on your plate when you wanted pepper. It's more like taking a blood transfusion of B negative when your body was looking for some A positive.

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 · May 26, 2009, 07:55 AM

G'day. Thanks for clearing that up for me. It's now as clear as mud!
I'll just stick to using;
ADI AS30N (= Hodgdon Clays).
ADI AS50N (= Hodgdon International).
ADI AP70N (= Hodgdon Universal).

Hay, I have just noticed that ADI makes all three of these powders and Hodgdon sells them in the USA.

Jim Watson · May 26, 2009, 08:32 AM

Yes, ADI makes all Hodgdon's flake and extruded powders.

May 26, 2009, 05:33 AM	#1
Newtimer Junior Member Join Date: May 21, 2009 Location: Chicopee, Mass Posts: 3	Powders Is Universal and Universal Clays the same powder?

May 26, 2009, 07:20 AM	#3
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Yes. Where the confusion comes in is that Clays, Universal Clays and International Clays are all different powders. Universal and Universal Clays is the same thing. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

May 26, 2009, 07:52 AM	#6
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Yep. Hodgdon made this mess. Most load data refers to them as Clays, International and Universal. But Hodgdon still writes "clays" on the actual bottles... I think? We had a thread about this quite recently. No doubt, this was a lot of stupid confusion on the part of Hodgdon. Really ignorant to name them in this manner, because switching powders accidentally is not like dumping a little salt on your plate when you wanted pepper. It's more like taking a blood transfusion of B negative when your body was looking for some A positive. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

May 26, 2009, 07:55 AM	#7
SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2008 Location: Far Nth Wst QLD Australia Posts: 992	G'day. Thanks for clearing that up for me. It's now as clear as mud! I'll just stick to using; ADI AS30N (= Hodgdon Clays). ADI AS50N (= Hodgdon International). ADI AP70N (= Hodgdon Universal). Hay, I have just noticed that ADI makes all three of these powders and Hodgdon sells them in the USA. __________________ If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough! When you're confused, I'll try to use smaller words!!!

May 26, 2009, 07:38 AM	#5
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	That is what he is saying and that is what is so. The powders were introuduced as Clays, International Clays, and Universal Clays, but reloaders had trouble understanding two words at a time so the designations have been being abbreviated to Clays, International, and Universal.

May 26, 2009, 08:32 AM	#8
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	Yes, ADI makes all Hodgdon's flake and extruded powders.