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[UBoatCaptain]

I have been warned plenty of times that WD-40 is NOT a FIREARMS LUBRICANT! Primarily because WD-40 can penetrate and ruin cartridge primers. It is not recommended for firearms - period.

[Alex Johnson]

Firepower, my answer is why should I. WD-40 has worked for me for years and I have no complaints. I've used it hundreds of times on guns when I clean and work on them and I've had no problems.

[Alex Johnson]

Can't speak for the missfires, I don't often experience them, than again I don't flood my guns with any oil or solvent either, a little goes a long way. Again I've had lots of experience with WD-40 and experience is better than say so, I don't doubt there are better protectants out there, but call me old fashioned WD-40 works for "me" and that's all that I'm concerned with.

[Firepower]

Well, Alex, that is your choice, absolutely, but I cant help wondering why an Industrial Technologist, such as yourself, would be so closed minded about giving something else a try, based on a no-risk, no-investment basis. Even the staunchest beleivers in a product would take such an offer, in hopes of either finding out something they didn't like about the "challenging" product, or mainly, to see if there IS in fact, something better out there that excels in every way.

I won't lose any sleep, nor am I upset over the fact that you didn't/wouldn't take the "Free offer of Firepower FP-10 CLP". I just feel you could be better served in your overall capacities with FP-10, especially on your fine firearms.

I admire your tenacity and deeply rooted stance in what you beleive in and feel comfortable with. If you ever get curious or decide you may want to give the 'ol FP-10 a whirl, ... [email protected] .

Best regards, Alex,
George

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[UBoatCaptain]

Alex,
Nothing for nothing (pun intended). I don't know George personally. However, I am been thru enough factory armorer classes to fill a book with technical data. I was warned several times not to use WD-40 - period! Maybe in a life and death survival situtation (and only to prevent rust) and starve the corrosive effects of climate on a gun. That is, if no conventional firearms oil was available and it was a choice (nothing vs. WD). WD-40 has been known to thicken and harden. I have had WD-40 destroy scope threads thru solidification (the threads welded shut) thereby ruining the scope. I have actually been warned in one armorers school to stay away from the stuff. Having used older bottles of FP-10. This stuff absolutely stopped any wear on the barrel of my Springfield Armory. On a molecular level, this stuff kills friction - period. I like the fact that George deals with the rust problem and engineers his product to protect steel from corrosion. Many lubricants do not. My only grip was the older FP-10 evaporated a bit fast. I hear the new version lasts a lot longer. It is good to be skeptical. But no one should be closed minded. BTW, if you ever exposed your firearms to climate and humidity. You may see the WD-40 thicken considerably. And the answer is no - I am not personal friends with George.

[hansolo]

As I posted a few days ago, my friend uses nothing but WD- 40 to "clean/lube" his firearms. Just for fun, I asked if I could see the innards on his Colt Officer's 1911: he took it apart. Well.........it's amazing the poor thing could still cycle w/o blowing up. It lloked like it had been in a mudslide. "Damn!," my WD-40-loving friend said, "This is not GOOD!" I happily pulled-out my cleaning-supply box and, while he took off, did my normal Hoppes#9, Breakfree job. I put-on my Wal-Mart High-Power reading glasses and looked in nooks/crannies for sludge. I saved as much as I could on patches/rags. I didn't reassemble the pistol. When my friend returned to his pristine Colt and looked at the black/brown crap that I got out of it, he looked a tad sheepish

He put 'er back together and racked it a few times...smooooth!

'nuff said!

[CAH]

FWIW, I used Break-Free CLP for over a decade, and my only complaint was that it wasn't the best lubricant. In 1997 I decided to start testing different gun lubes. While I'm no scientist, I did learn a lot about tribology and such, mostly from the helpful folks at the various companies that I spoke with.

Well, after wasting several hundred dollars and lots of family time, I found what I think is the best lubricant, and CLP, on the market today - Muscle Products Firepower FP-10 CLP.

I've been using FP-10 for over a year now, on "everything that squeeks", from all my weapons to the doors on my truck. I am 100% satisfied with the products and the service from MPC.

Save yourself some time and money, and give FP-10 a go.

George, I can't believe I forgot to mention this earlier, but give my thanks to Amy for her help earlier this year, and most of all for her intestinal fortitude. Her ability to overcome the challenges dealt to her are a real inspiration. Her friends and family are blessed indeed! You go girl!

BTW, I've been posting here for over a year under my name, but I changed my E-mail and lost my password!

www.fp10.com

Best regards,
Clayton Hufford

[Firepower]

Hey Clayton!

I think we found our old friend, little t, "tribologist", from pistolsmith.com, under a different name (with a little d), drcohen !!!

Would you just look at the constant plugs for TW25B and bestdefense.com:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...earchid=375537


Compare it to this one:
http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic...11402&start=20

By Jove, I think we have a Ringer

Give it up, drcohen, tribologist, or whoever you are, and you should really stop using the "phony" technical handles, just so people will think you "might" know what you are talking about. The real experts are distinguished by the correct info they can provide, not just going around parroting "TW25B" or "bestdefense.com".

I may promote my FP-10, but I do it with factual info which involves Chemistry, Tribology, Metallurgy, and Lubrication Engineering...and I send anyone who request it, a free bottle of FP-10 so they can see for themselves.

Let's see you give out some free samples to the folks of that TW25B" that you are constantly touting.

Put up, or shut up.

George

[johnbt]

Unfortunately, drcohen's posts over the years have probably cost TW-25B some sales. It really is good stuff. I've used it for three years on guns for pocket carry because the lint and grit easily blows or brushes off. Moving along to what I've read (and some name dropping), Larry Vickers has stated that TW-25B is the best for dry, dirty, dusty, sandy conditions.

I have a bottle of Shooter's Choice FP-10, but really need to use it a little more before pronouncing my undying loyalty to the brand. Meanwhile, it has worked extremely well on the few handguns(and one pump shotgun) I've used it on.

And lastly, I used WD-40 on my friend's duck gun after it went for a swim in the swamp. We couldn't find the one can of gun oil at the marina because he'd left it in the office when he was working on the stereo the night before. This was the only time I ever touched the stuff and I still feel guilty about it.

John

[Alex Johnson]

Alright Firepower, I'll give FP-10 a try. Being a bit closeminded is a problem of mine, but I guess it won't hurt to try something different. I still can't say that I have ever noticed any rusting on my firearms, but I guess I do take them apart on a regular basis for cleaning, so maybe I haven't provided much of an experiment. Anyway let's consider this arguement over, I'll try the FP-10, nothing more gets said about nasty old WD-40.

[Firepower]

Good for you, Alex

I don't "bash" other products, but only recommend what's is good for a firearm, and in doing so, use nothing but the facts, no matter what product it is.

I look forward to your email and will get you out some FP-10, promptly.

Best regards, Alex,
George

[Firepower]

Hey johnbt,

You are probably right on that one, in drcohen's postings, causing them sales losses.

I have no qualms about TW25B and it's abilities as a grease, but once again, grease is not recommended on a firearm's action for all the various reason discussed before.

Give that FP-10 a workout and you'll find out it's EP properties are BETTER than a grease, and you don't have the thick, high viscosity, semi-solid boundary lubricant characteristics to deal with.

Maybe you should email me ( [email protected] ) and get a free sample of the current FP-10 that meets the CLP MIL Spec. I'd be happy to send one your way.

Best regards,
George

[CAH]

My only qualms with TW-25B, which I've used quite a bit, is that it's expensive, difficult to use (compared to a CLP), and not the best protectant. FP-10 CLP is more effective than TW-25B, Tetra Gun, Break-Free CLP, RemOil, Mobil-1, G96, Sheath, UltimaLube, Militec-1, and every other product that I've tried.

Notice that George is the only person from a lubricant company posting on this, or any other forum? If so many products are better, why aren't the CEO's and technical directors here providing us with information? (rest assured, they ARE checking out the forums) They're not here because George will prove that his product is better. No one wants second best, especially when the losing product oftentimes costs more.

George doesn't have to post here to sell his product. (Heck he just ends up giving away free samples!) He chooses to be a part of the forums in order to help others, and to have a good time. That says a lot in my opinion.

Best regards,
Clay

[sm]

Ditto what CAH said-- to which I'll add one of the products above in my testing left a bolt action single shot a brown yucky mess, another product "burned" the plasic grips-this product is a CLP in a can, person waited till everything cleaned put grips back on, next time he cleaned-could not remove grips "burned' onto screws and frame--had to break grips off Beretta.

FWIW I have sent George some G96, remoil liquid, and Kleen bore Formula 3 for testing.

I don't have a need for these--exclusivley use FP-10

[butchb243]

Hey! I started this mess about 2 months ago , never thought it would last this long and stopped looking at it about 2 weeks later . Just now found it again. George thanks for the free bee I just sent my E-mail . I have a remington 1148 that I love to shoot but it has always had a problem with jaming, As the lubes that I have tried have gotten better so has the problem, your FP 10 sounds like just what I was hoping to find with this thread. Can hardly wait to try it!

[sm]

butch243,

See- good things DO come to those that wait

Give that 11-48 a good cleaning, and I know you'll give that chamber a going over with wisps of 0000 steel wool while your at it. Clean and lubed with FP-10 you'll be surprised....really.

Why you'll probably get a double or two on doves this season--hard to do when a gun jams...blows the excuses though when the grey missles sail on....

best.

[hansolo]

Thank you, George, for the sample of FP-10 cleaner/lube!

I like many aspects: 1.) There is no strong odor!..Now, I LOVE the smell of Hoppes #9, but I live in a smallish home and the old lady(I mean"wife")hates Hoppes' odor as much as I hate the smell of nailpolish remover! 2.) Nice, medium viscosity...gets in there to clean, leaves a light lubricating film.

I went to my outdoor range the day after my first use of FP-10: my CZ 75B seemed to cycle smoother -- don't know if it was my imagination, but it also seemed to eject the casings at the ideal 3-5 feet(before, they would go 6-8 feet).

FP-10 could replace several products as my only cleaner/lube. Thanks!

Steve Pirosh

[WESHOOT2]

So I e-mail this noisy horn-blower of a self-proclaimed 'Lube Specialist" and I says "Okay, send me your free sample (oh, I love free gun stuff) so it can get added to my box full of other wonder-lubes", but I keep noticing all these other posts saying nice things about horn-blower's stuff.

Soooooooo I says to myself, "Myself, maybe horn-blower blows hard so we HEAR him".

I like a guy who knows his stuff is good. I'm looking forward to testing FP-10. I'm very very satisfied with BreakFree CLP. I have an open mind (that's why I have a box of other lubes). I owe no loyalty to any specific product or service; I'm free. I have NO financial ties to ANY OTHER gun-related product or service. I offer my opinion based on my experiences.

I already like this guy............................and free samples cost big bucks.........................and you got to have complete confidence in what you're offering.........................and I got a match coming September 7th in a blowing sand pit.........................perfect test.

(I had NO idea folks used WD-40 as a gun lube; I use it for cleaning sometimes before I use Gun-Scrubber.)

[Firepower]

Heya Tim,

Ya knowz, I say's to meself, dis goy .....naw wait, that's your schtick!! LOL...

About this "horn-blower", is he any good? I like good jazz as much as the next guy! But ya know, when ya gots a small horn, ya gots to "blow harder" for doze folks to hear ya, specially if what you got, can blow dem all away, includin' da Sachmo....BF-CLP

Ya know how you can kinda sense someone's personality through the comms, be it email, the forums, or a land-line? (western union, american sign, semifore, morse code, etc.)

I could tell from our email exchange that I like this WESHOOT2 guy, too (Izzat redundant?).

As soon as I get you hooked up with that bottle of FP-10, the infolded order of all things will be unfolded before you. Take care Tim

Something Wonderful Is About To Happen

Hal, open the door....Hal,.....open the door, Hal......Hal....
Best,
George

Hey Steve hansolo...you are very welcome

Night all ......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[sm]

WESHOOT 2 ...

I tried FP-10 because I had played the "lube game", and the latest product -was ok-then changed its formula-NOT OK

So I had heard of FP-10 and did a internet search. E-mailed George, and asked "hey is FP-10 any good or just hype?"
George didn't bash anyone, didn't condemn me for having played the "lube game"-his response was " tell you what I'll send you a sample and you tell me".

Now this was a long long time ago, no free offers, nothing on the forums-He sends the sample along with tech info-which goes right over my head.

Well I tried it, and I've stayed with it since then. Use it exclusivley, the box of lubes is gone, nice to have one product for CLP

And oh yeah I "put it through the paces"--never, repeat, never has failed me.

Sand pit, don't worry about it, shoot well at the match,you'll have one less thing to worry about.

[CAH]

Steve's experiences above mirror mine. In 1997 I decided that I was going to find the best products for gun care. I tested dozens of products. In 2000 I joined the internet community, and discovered a company called Muscle Products Corp., the company that made Shooter's Choice FP-10. After almost two years of trials on every type of weapon I could get my hands on, numerous rust tests, and ASTM data comparisons, I came to the conclusion that FP-10 was definitely ONE of the best. It wasn't, however, the best protectant. That has now changed. I just recently started testing the new "improved" mil-spec formula. I have since discarded all my other products, as FP-10 CLP is the BEST gun care product I've ever used, period. Every aspect of FP-10 has been improved, so if you haven't tried it in a year or so, you should.

FP-10 has always been great, but now it is the BEST .

Clay

[WESHOOT2]

Thanks to all for the info, but I of course remain slightly skeptical.

I am willing to be convinced, though, as that's how I ended with BF CLP.
I normally run my guns dirty (dirtier)(unbelievably filthy) and slop on some CLP before matches.
Real cold, real hot, real sandy gritty rainy dusty real good.

Not as concerned about rust (they ALL rust).

I still use TetraSkunk for treating bores, and an occasional dab of TetraGrease for sears or slide stop pins.

So, I guess I'm saying "I'll let you know"...............

[butchb243]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got in from a day of dove shooting that was fantastic, not because there were that many doves, but what happened to my gun.
I have an old Remington model 1148 in 410 that was my first shotgun ( that was a lot of years) , and I dont think it has ever gone more than 5 rounds without a jam in it's history.
It was the reason that I started this thread in the first place . I have tried other lubes of all kinds, Breakfree, Remoil, even slick 50, + many others. FP10 is the first one to ever make that gun work . Fired 47 rounds today & not one hitch of any kind!
I'm sold I can stop looking now,but there is one thing , COULD YOU PUT SOMETHING IN THAT COULD MAKE ME GET MORE HITS FROM A BOX OF SHELLS?

[Firepower]

We are temporarily suspending our Free FP-10 offer for a short time but will repost it when it becomes available again, soon.
This offer has ended as of 3:00 PM EST, Sunday, September 1st, 2002
I have to devote the remaining time to the 3 major matches that we are sponsoring and I am shooting in the next 3 weeks.
http://www.fp10.com/sponsoredmatches.htm
Thank you all for your great participation and we'll be back to make it available again, very soon (probably at the end of this month).

Best regards,
George

[sm]

butchb243:

I told you so

What - no doubles??

Ok - you want more hits from a box of shells-right? [hey I was right about the FP-10]

You take care of the physical factors- only about 10% of the equation, which are:
gun
footwear
clothing apparel
eye and ear protection--all these must work, fit , be comfortable etc
technique [stance, gun mount...]

The other 90% is mental. Take care of al the physical so you don't clog the mental

Skeet is a good way to learn the mindset, repetition becomes habit and habit becomes faith

So when the grey missle sails by your mental computer has been trained and conditioned such that less shells for more birds.

Didn't get to go opening day this year, 2 years ago 13 shells and 15 birds though...yeah I use FP-10 and used to shoot skeet competitvley...practice practice practice.

shoot safe and have fun...and don't get too serious,it'll clog the brain too.