S O G Brazillian Mauser Rifle ?

TX Hunter · February 10, 2012, 05:57 PM

Hey I was just wondering if any of you fellows have bought one of these ?
They are advertized as being in Good Condition but watched a video and the man described alot of rust, deep comelene soaked stocks, and minor stock repair needed, but said the rifle was in good mechanical condition.
I keep looking at the picture of that 7x57 in the S O G sales paper, and am kind of wanting to get one, and clean it up, just wondering if the bores on these have been decent.
Anyone got one ?

Dfariswheel · February 10, 2012, 07:15 PM

A rule of thumb on surplus firearms that's been valid since the big post-war wave of surplus in the 1950's is this:

When the description is "Good Condition", you hear "Good to Very Good", the importer means "Fair to Good".

With "Good Condition" a South American surplus rifle is going to have a very frosty and probably pitted barrel, but it will still shoot acceptably.
Don't expect great groups at 100 yards, but the groups may be improved by counter-boring the muzzle.
Expect some small parts may need to be replaced and for pitting and rust under the wood.

landlord · February 10, 2012, 07:32 PM

I have one and will be posting pics shortly. I be leave mine to be in 30-06.

emcon5 · February 11, 2012, 12:41 AM

You mean the VZ-24?

TX Hunter · February 11, 2012, 08:51 AM

Yes Its a Czec VZ-24 in 7x57.
I like the looks of them, and am thinking about buying one, and cleaning it.
I was just concerned about the rifleing being gone, wondering if anyone has bought one of these.

emcon5 · February 11, 2012, 11:32 AM

I have been looking at the same thing. I found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u05AC6KUYU

They look pretty tired. (well, that one does)

TX Hunter · February 11, 2012, 11:55 AM

Thanks for the link, I think Im gonna go ahead and get one of these, Its in rough shape, but I like the looks of the rifle, and the 7mm chambering.
Be kind of a nice project cleaning one up, and making it servicable again.

LarryNTX · February 11, 2012, 02:42 PM

I have one of the Century imports, which is probably the same batch that SOG has. Mine was completely black like the one in the video and had the oil soaked red silt under the hand guard. The red dirt actually seemed to preserve the metal, because there was no rust at all underneath. I would rate the condition as fair, but mechanically sound. The bore is dark and really dirty, but it shoots ok.
I gave it a good wash/scrubbing with BLO and four 0 steel wool and it cleaned up pretty good. I think it's fair deal for the money. I also got some of the 7mm surplus ammo from Samco.

TX Hunter · February 11, 2012, 03:20 PM

Thanks for the picture, I like the reddish collor on the stock, Is that the original color ?

LarryNTX · February 11, 2012, 03:45 PM

Yeah, that's what was under all the black.
I took the stock off and gave it a good soak in BLO and scrubbed a lot with steel wool then wiped it off. The bolt body has some stains and discoloration that could probably be polished out. I like the history behind these rifles. Originally a Chinese contract that fell through, then sold to the Brazillian rebels.

emcon5 · February 11, 2012, 10:40 PM

That looks a hell of a lot better than the one in the video.

How is the import marking? I have seen some recent Century Mausers that are horrible.

LarryNTX · February 11, 2012, 11:05 PM

The mark on this one is fairly discreet on the bottom of the barrel just in front of the bayonet lug. The import serial number is dot matrix printed on the receiver.

emcon5 · February 12, 2012, 01:38 AM

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The import serial number is dot matrix printed on the receiver.

Right next to the the S/N the rifle came with, no doubt. So freaking stupid.

LarryNTX · February 12, 2012, 10:19 AM

Actually, these rifles have 4 serial numbers.
The original four digit factory number, then the Brazilian government added a new number when they captured the rifles from the rebels, a third number with a prefix of "PM" was added when they were issued to the military police, and finally the importer's number.

emcon5 · February 17, 2012, 12:08 PM

Did you order one? I am thinking of pulling the trigger today.

On edit: Looks like I waited too long. They are out.

TX Hunter · February 17, 2012, 03:17 PM

Not Yet, waiting for Refund Check,

emcon5 · February 17, 2012, 03:32 PM

You waited too long too, it seems.

Tried to order today, they are gone.

TX Hunter · February 17, 2012, 03:44 PM

Heck, I thought they had alot of them.

emcon5 · February 17, 2012, 04:47 PM

I did just find this one though:

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...621839c19cd0f7

Which I just ordered.

A little more money, but I get to see photos of the actual rifle I bought.

TX Hunter · February 18, 2012, 07:58 AM

Congratulations, Its a nice looking Rifle, lots of character, and it apears to have been cleaned up already. I hope you have lots of enjoyment with it.
Oh by the way, I love the website, I cant look at it eneough.

tobnpr · February 18, 2012, 08:28 AM

I was on the fence between the VZ-24, and the M24/47...
From what I'd gleaned online, it was more likely that the VZ's were going to be in somewhat ratty shape, while the M24/47's were likely to be brandy-new, unfired re-arsenals that had not seen the light of day since the late 40's.

I ordered the M24/47, and my only disappointment was the safety- it clearly indicated the rifle had been unfired since it was rebuilt

, because the safety was mismatched and just didn't work

, and the rear action screw was too long and you couldn't even run the bolt (that was obviously an easy fix).

The barrel appears to be brand new.

TX Hunter · February 18, 2012, 08:40 AM

I have a Yugo 24 47 with bent down bolt handle that I bought special select from Samco Global Arms, it was a special select, and my friend, It was like new, shoots good, and is perfect in everyway. I was just wanting something in 7MM Mauser. If you buy from Samco Global Arms, they are a pain to deal with but usually have good stuff.
I like S O G, they seem alot nicer and easier to deal with.

emcon5 · February 18, 2012, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Oh by the way, I love the website, I cant look at it enough.

Yeah, they have some pretty amazing stuff, with prices to match:

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...621839c19cd0f7

I wanted a Carbine length 7mm Mauser as well, and that really limits the choices, to either these VZ24s or Spanish 1916s. The Spaniards are probably in better shape, but the only folks who have them are "Hunter's Lodge" and those guys don't exactly have a stellar reputation.

With the VZ at least, it is a 98 action, so if I get it and it is an utter POS with a smooth bore, I still have options. I would have less with the small-ring Spanish Mauser

TX Hunter · February 18, 2012, 12:12 PM

I have a 1916 Spanish Mauser, it took me 6 months to get it, Mine is chambered for .308 So I hand load very mild cartridges for it I have fired some Nato The Rifle is very accurate, and unlike many mausers, the sights are regulated for a dead on hold. I back Ordered one from Samco Global, it took FOR EVER.

emcon5 · February 28, 2012, 09:56 PM

Got mine today, and was pretty happy until I took it out of the stock:

February 10, 2012, 05:57 PM	#1
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	S O G Brazillian Mauser Rifle ? Hey I was just wondering if any of you fellows have bought one of these ? They are advertized as being in Good Condition but watched a video and the man described alot of rust, deep comelene soaked stocks, and minor stock repair needed, but said the rifle was in good mechanical condition. I keep looking at the picture of that 7x57 in the S O G sales paper, and am kind of wanting to get one, and clean it up, just wondering if the bores on these have been decent. Anyone got one ?

February 11, 2012, 08:51 AM	#5
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Emcon Yes Its a Czec VZ-24 in 7x57. I like the looks of them, and am thinking about buying one, and cleaning it. I was just concerned about the rifleing being gone, wondering if anyone has bought one of these.

February 11, 2012, 11:55 AM	#7
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Thanks Emcon5 Thanks for the link, I think Im gonna go ahead and get one of these, Its in rough shape, but I like the looks of the rifle, and the 7mm chambering. Be kind of a nice project cleaning one up, and making it servicable again.

February 11, 2012, 02:42 PM	#8
LarryNTX Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2010 Location: a little north of Dallas Posts: 124	I have one of the Century imports, which is probably the same batch that SOG has. Mine was completely black like the one in the video and had the oil soaked red silt under the hand guard. The red dirt actually seemed to preserve the metal, because there was no rust at all underneath. I would rate the condition as fair, but mechanically sound. The bore is dark and really dirty, but it shoots ok. I gave it a good wash/scrubbing with BLO and four 0 steel wool and it cleaned up pretty good. I think it's fair deal for the money. I also got some of the 7mm surplus ammo from Samco. __________________ Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

February 11, 2012, 03:20 PM	#9
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	LarryNtx Thanks for the picture, I like the reddish collor on the stock, Is that the original color ?

February 10, 2012, 07:15 PM	#2
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	A rule of thumb on surplus firearms that's been valid since the big post-war wave of surplus in the 1950's is this: When the description is "Good Condition", you hear "Good to Very Good", the importer means "Fair to Good". With "Good Condition" a South American surplus rifle is going to have a very frosty and probably pitted barrel, but it will still shoot acceptably. Don't expect great groups at 100 yards, but the groups may be improved by counter-boring the muzzle. Expect some small parts may need to be replaced and for pitting and rust under the wood.

February 10, 2012, 07:32 PM	#3
landlord Member Join Date: February 4, 2012 Posts: 71	I have one and will be posting pics shortly. I be leave mine to be in 30-06.

February 11, 2012, 12:41 AM	#4
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	You mean the VZ-24?

February 11, 2012, 11:32 AM	#6
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	I have been looking at the same thing. I found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u05AC6KUYU They look pretty tired. (well, that one does)

February 11, 2012, 03:45 PM	#10
LarryNTX Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2010 Location: a little north of Dallas Posts: 124	Yeah, that's what was under all the black. I took the stock off and gave it a good soak in BLO and scrubbed a lot with steel wool then wiped it off. The bolt body has some stains and discoloration that could probably be polished out. I like the history behind these rifles. Originally a Chinese contract that fell through, then sold to the Brazillian rebels. __________________ Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

February 11, 2012, 10:40 PM	#11
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	That looks a hell of a lot better than the one in the video. How is the import marking? I have seen some recent Century Mausers that are horrible.

February 11, 2012, 11:05 PM	#12
LarryNTX Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2010 Location: a little north of Dallas Posts: 124	The mark on this one is fairly discreet on the bottom of the barrel just in front of the bayonet lug. The import serial number is dot matrix printed on the receiver. __________________ Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

February 12, 2012, 10:19 AM	#14
LarryNTX Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2010 Location: a little north of Dallas Posts: 124	Actually, these rifles have 4 serial numbers. The original four digit factory number, then the Brazilian government added a new number when they captured the rifles from the rebels, a third number with a prefix of "PM" was added when they were issued to the military police, and finally the importer's number. __________________ Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

February 17, 2012, 12:08 PM	#15
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	Did you order one? I am thinking of pulling the trigger today. On edit: Looks like I waited too long. They are out. Last edited by emcon5; February 17, 2012 at 02:52 PM.

February 17, 2012, 03:17 PM	#16
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Not Yet, waiting for Refund Check,

February 17, 2012, 03:32 PM	#17
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	You waited too long too, it seems. Tried to order today, they are gone.

February 17, 2012, 03:44 PM	#18
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Heck, I thought they had alot of them.

February 17, 2012, 04:47 PM	#19
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	I did just find this one though: http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...621839c19cd0f7 Which I just ordered. A little more money, but I get to see photos of the actual rifle I bought.

February 18, 2012, 07:58 AM	#20
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Encon Congratulations, Its a nice looking Rifle, lots of character, and it apears to have been cleaned up already. I hope you have lots of enjoyment with it. Oh by the way, I love the website, I cant look at it eneough.

February 18, 2012, 08:28 AM	#21
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	I was on the fence between the VZ-24, and the M24/47... From what I'd gleaned online, it was more likely that the VZ's were going to be in somewhat ratty shape, while the M24/47's were likely to be brandy-new, unfired re-arsenals that had not seen the light of day since the late 40's. I ordered the M24/47, and my only disappointment was the safety- it clearly indicated the rifle had been unfired since it was rebuilt , because the safety was mismatched and just didn't work , and the rear action screw was too long and you couldn't even run the bolt (that was obviously an easy fix). The barrel appears to be brand new.

February 18, 2012, 08:40 AM	#22
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Tobpnr I have a Yugo 24 47 with bent down bolt handle that I bought special select from Samco Global Arms, it was a special select, and my friend, It was like new, shoots good, and is perfect in everyway. I was just wanting something in 7MM Mauser. If you buy from Samco Global Arms, they are a pain to deal with but usually have good stuff. I like S O G, they seem alot nicer and easier to deal with.

February 18, 2012, 12:12 PM	#24
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Emcon 5 I have a 1916 Spanish Mauser, it took me 6 months to get it, Mine is chambered for .308 So I hand load very mild cartridges for it I have fired some Nato The Rifle is very accurate, and unlike many mausers, the sights are regulated for a dead on hold. I back Ordered one from Samco Global, it took FOR EVER.

February 28, 2012, 09:56 PM	#25
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	Got mine today, and was pretty happy until I took it out of the stock: