missin somethin?

salvadore · May 29, 2014, 04:16 PM

Because of a previous thread discussing the joys of bruised shoulders and rattled brains from shooting big thumpers I decided to take to the range with my trapdoor and 430+gr full loads. Anyway after a couple of fouling shots (which rattled my brain) I shot a clover leaf 3 shot group from a sub 1" group I put 2 more down range and ended up with a sub 2" group a few more a sub 6" group etc. After 13 rounds I had a group I won't even tell my dogs about, and I tell them everything.

Did I think it was fun? Only if getting a vertical butt stroke before being bayonetted is fun, only if burying Gramma is fun, only if getting bucked off a horse and catching the saddle horn in the groin on the way down is fun.

So Doc if you're ever in the neighborhood, let me buy you a sandwich at the North HiWay Cafe and the beverage of your choice and then you can take my Mauser and 40 rds of factory misery so I can have the brass for pleasant cast bullet cartridges.

Hellgate · May 29, 2014, 09:47 PM

Geeze, all it sounds like is you developed barrel fouling. Either more lube (beeswax disc under the bullet or a different bullet with more lube carrying capacity) or a blow tube is necessary. It looks like the gun can shoot quite well.

salvadore · May 30, 2014, 04:56 AM

It's nice of you to blame the rifle and not the shooter hellgate. I use Darr formula lube, a bullet that casts to .462, same as the groove diameter and a fiber spacer between the bullet and the powder.

You're right that it is a tack driver, I use to shoot 2" 100yd. groups, but my eyesight was much better 20 years ago. Yesterday I was shooting at 50 yds and the deterioration of accuracy was due to concentration breakdown anticipating the pain of the forth coming shot.

Anyway, that's why I've gone to cast bullets for most of my 20th century cartridges. Makes for a much pleasanter range day.

Hellgate · May 30, 2014, 09:28 AM

When I am working up a load with a heavy recoiling rifle (TD carbine or 58cal rifled musket, and even the '06) I put a sandbag between me and the gun butt. It is much more pleasant to get a shove than a smack.

salvadore · May 30, 2014, 10:09 AM

And I did that resulting in much pain reduction, I should have thought about my cheek and elbows too. I need to invest in one of those PAST recoil thingies.

jeager106 · May 30, 2014, 10:18 AM

Quote:
And I did that resulting in much pain reduction, I should have thought about my cheek and elbows too. I need to invest in one of those PAST recoil thingies.
I have two PAST sissy pads & even use them for shooting my .22s.
Why? It takes the heartbeat shudder out of the equation for target shooting.
I can shoot my thumpers without bruises.
When I got a Zouave reproduction rifle I didn't read enough about shooting the Civil War era rifled muskets.
I loaded the thing with solid 650 grain bullets, 100 grains of 2fg, and fired her off.
After I awoke & got up off the ground I saw that the muzzle blast had blown off all the leaves from my woods over an acre of gournd.
The chickens had no feathers.
Farmers milk cows dried up.
The Air Force was called in to investigate the mile high mushroom cloud, & the earth quake center reported an 9.0 quake with the epicenter right where
my house once stood.

Dang but that was fun.

Hawg · May 30, 2014, 10:26 AM

It's getting deep now. Where's my chest waders?

bedbugbilly · May 30, 2014, 11:54 AM

It's too late Hawg . . . it done already run over the top of the waders and they're half full . . . .

Doc Hoy · May 30, 2014, 02:57 PM

Oh...I see. It was just a pee shooter.

salvadore · June 3, 2014, 01:22 PM

I'm gonna have to stop hangin out here, , bought a shoulder pad and took the trapdoor out to the range yesterday After 10 casual shots down range I put up a new target up and was able to shoot 5 rounds into just over 2". Probably could do a litte better with a lighter trigger pull.

While this isn't a great group, I recommend the PAST shoulder protecter for folks like me.

paleodog · June 3, 2014, 10:08 PM

My Marlin 1895 loaded hot with 500 grain cast bullets gives me a headache after 10 rounds or so. It really will knock a big boar hog stone dead too.

jeager106 · June 3, 2014, 10:16 PM

chest waders? getting deep here?
WHAT! That was a TRUE story.
(sorta

)
I really did over load the Zouave using 650 grain solid bullets and it did
thump really hard. I quit that & loaded with mini bullets & 40 grains of
powder.
Much more fun.
The sissy pad is a great device & I use it especially for the hard thumpers.
My 45-70 Marlin with stout charges of smokeless & a 405 grain bullet thumps worse than a 12 bore with slugs.
I'm going to load 300 grain bullets in it for Ohio's first legal rifle season this fall.

May 29, 2014, 04:16 PM	#1
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	missin somethin? Because of a previous thread discussing the joys of bruised shoulders and rattled brains from shooting big thumpers I decided to take to the range with my trapdoor and 430+gr full loads. Anyway after a couple of fouling shots (which rattled my brain) I shot a clover leaf 3 shot group from a sub 1" group I put 2 more down range and ended up with a sub 2" group a few more a sub 6" group etc. After 13 rounds I had a group I won't even tell my dogs about, and I tell them everything. Did I think it was fun? Only if getting a vertical butt stroke before being bayonetted is fun, only if burying Gramma is fun, only if getting bucked off a horse and catching the saddle horn in the groin on the way down is fun. So Doc if you're ever in the neighborhood, let me buy you a sandwich at the North HiWay Cafe and the beverage of your choice and then you can take my Mauser and 40 rds of factory misery so I can have the brass for pleasant cast bullet cartridges.

May 29, 2014, 09:47 PM	#2
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	Geeze, all it sounds like is you developed barrel fouling. Either more lube (beeswax disc under the bullet or a different bullet with more lube carrying capacity) or a blow tube is necessary. It looks like the gun can shoot quite well. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

May 30, 2014, 09:28 AM	#4
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	When I am working up a load with a heavy recoiling rifle (TD carbine or 58cal rifled musket, and even the '06) I put a sandbag between me and the gun butt. It is much more pleasant to get a shove than a smack. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

May 30, 2014, 11:54 AM	#8
bedbugbilly Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 3,287	It's too late Hawg . . . it done already run over the top of the waders and they're half full . . . . __________________ If a pair of '51 Navies were good enough for Billy Hickok, then a single Navy on my right hip is good enough for me . . . besides . . . I'm probably only half as good as he was anyways. Hiram's Rangers Badge #63

May 30, 2014, 02:57 PM	#9
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Jeager Oh...I see. It was just a pee shooter. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

May 30, 2014, 04:56 AM	#3
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	It's nice of you to blame the rifle and not the shooter hellgate. I use Darr formula lube, a bullet that casts to .462, same as the groove diameter and a fiber spacer between the bullet and the powder. You're right that it is a tack driver, I use to shoot 2" 100yd. groups, but my eyesight was much better 20 years ago. Yesterday I was shooting at 50 yds and the deterioration of accuracy was due to concentration breakdown anticipating the pain of the forth coming shot. Anyway, that's why I've gone to cast bullets for most of my 20th century cartridges. Makes for a much pleasanter range day.

May 30, 2014, 10:09 AM	#5
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	And I did that resulting in much pain reduction, I should have thought about my cheek and elbows too. I need to invest in one of those PAST recoil thingies.

May 30, 2014, 10:18 AM	#6
jeager106 Junior member Join Date: November 24, 2006 Location: N.E. Oh. Posts: 527	Quote: And I did that resulting in much pain reduction, I should have thought about my cheek and elbows too. I need to invest in one of those PAST recoil thingies. I have two PAST sissy pads & even use them for shooting my .22s. Why? It takes the heartbeat shudder out of the equation for target shooting. I can shoot my thumpers without bruises. When I got a Zouave reproduction rifle I didn't read enough about shooting the Civil War era rifled muskets. I loaded the thing with solid 650 grain bullets, 100 grains of 2fg, and fired her off. After I awoke & got up off the ground I saw that the muzzle blast had blown off all the leaves from my woods over an acre of gournd. The chickens had no feathers. Farmers milk cows dried up. The Air Force was called in to investigate the mile high mushroom cloud, & the earth quake center reported an 9.0 quake with the epicenter right where my house once stood. Dang but that was fun.

May 30, 2014, 10:26 AM	#7
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	It's getting deep now. Where's my chest waders?

June 3, 2014, 01:22 PM	#10
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	I'm gonna have to stop hangin out here, , bought a shoulder pad and took the trapdoor out to the range yesterday After 10 casual shots down range I put up a new target up and was able to shoot 5 rounds into just over 2". Probably could do a litte better with a lighter trigger pull. While this isn't a great group, I recommend the PAST shoulder protecter for folks like me.

June 3, 2014, 10:08 PM	#11
paleodog Member Join Date: March 11, 2011 Location: SW Georgia Posts: 30	Missin somethin? My Marlin 1895 loaded hot with 500 grain cast bullets gives me a headache after 10 rounds or so. It really will knock a big boar hog stone dead too.

June 3, 2014, 10:16 PM	#12
jeager106 Junior member Join Date: November 24, 2006 Location: N.E. Oh. Posts: 527	chest waders? getting deep here? WHAT! That was a TRUE story. (sorta) I really did over load the Zouave using 650 grain solid bullets and it did thump really hard. I quit that & loaded with mini bullets & 40 grains of powder. Much more fun. The sissy pad is a great device & I use it especially for the hard thumpers. My 45-70 Marlin with stout charges of smokeless & a 405 grain bullet thumps worse than a 12 bore with slugs. I'm going to load 300 grain bullets in it for Ohio's first legal rifle season this fall.