Conicals for 44 and 36 - Page 2

Stormson · March 20, 2014, 11:15 AM

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I had considered trying a dry felt wad over the powder and dropping shot into the chamber and then filling it with beeswax. This way it will possibly hold together through the barrel and either work as a frangible round or maybe keep the majority of the group much tighter.

When I was thinking of using a thick, wax soaked, cardboard card between the wad and powder to protect from lube contaminating the powder over time, someone brought up that the thick card might keep the lube pill from melting, therefore negating its purpose. A super thick one however might just protect the waxed shot when ya DO want it protected...

Hehe.. see.. I think about these things too!

Chestnut Forge · March 20, 2014, 04:02 PM

It would be kinda like the wax slugs that folks are making for shotguns. I wonder if the rifling would spin it enough to make it break up outside the muzzle? Be a good way to load snake loads for a C&B.

rodwhaincamo · March 20, 2014, 04:16 PM

I've seen some posted videos of loading C&B pistols for snakes with shot, and it seems to work fairly well for short range (<5 yds).

Brushhippie had a Remington bored smooth. Kinda interesting, though I think I'd rather do it to a Colt so that a swap of the barrel and I have a real pistol again.

rodwhaincamo · March 20, 2014, 04:28 PM

Gelatin test of a .44 cal ball using 30 grns of T7 through an 1860 Army:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpIVLUQ9rk8

I'm actually very surprised at how low the velocity was. Mike Beliveau got 1062 fps with a .457" ball and 33 grns of T7 in an Old Army.

Maybe it's due to the very low velocity, but the wound track from the ball is quite minimal, and doesn't look any bigger that what the FMJ 9mm bullet did when it flew straight.

I still think a WFN bullet would be superior even without expansion. I certainly wish I could afford to make enough Knox gel for testing. At ~$80 a pop it's a bit much for me.

rodwhaincamo · March 20, 2014, 04:33 PM

I'm wondering if his choice in ball size was off, and that he should have chosen a larger ball. I've seen test results where just upping the ball diameter greatly impacted the pressure/velocity.

March 20, 2014, 04:02 PM	#27
Chestnut Forge Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2013 Location: Polk, Pa Posts: 123	It would be kinda like the wax slugs that folks are making for shotguns. I wonder if the rifling would spin it enough to make it break up outside the muzzle? Be a good way to load snake loads for a C&B. __________________ Every gun I've been behind can out shoot me.

March 20, 2014, 04:16 PM	#28
rodwhaincamo Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,246	I've seen some posted videos of loading C&B pistols for snakes with shot, and it seems to work fairly well for short range (<5 yds). Brushhippie had a Remington bored smooth. Kinda interesting, though I think I'd rather do it to a Colt so that a swap of the barrel and I have a real pistol again.

March 20, 2014, 04:28 PM	#29
rodwhaincamo Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,246	Gelatin test of a .44 cal ball using 30 grns of T7 through an 1860 Army: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpIVLUQ9rk8 I'm actually very surprised at how low the velocity was. Mike Beliveau got 1062 fps with a .457" ball and 33 grns of T7 in an Old Army. Maybe it's due to the very low velocity, but the wound track from the ball is quite minimal, and doesn't look any bigger that what the FMJ 9mm bullet did when it flew straight. I still think a WFN bullet would be superior even without expansion. I certainly wish I could afford to make enough Knox gel for testing. At ~$80 a pop it's a bit much for me.

March 20, 2014, 04:33 PM	#30
rodwhaincamo Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,246	I'm wondering if his choice in ball size was off, and that he should have chosen a larger ball. I've seen test results where just upping the ball diameter greatly impacted the pressure/velocity.