P-1

salvadore · December 9, 2010, 10:55 AM

Just as a heads up, Royal Tiger Imports LTD. has C&R escellent to unissued P-1 Walthers for for $299 and $350 including holster and cleaning kit. I've owned P-1s and a P-4 they are great shooters and this is by far the best deal I have ever gotten on one.

Drachenstein · December 9, 2010, 07:24 PM

Where"s this, I don't see anything on their web site,,,,,,, just P64s

salvadore · December 11, 2010, 03:33 PM

They advertise in every third Shotgun News, or so. according to the woman I spoke to I will be shipped one yesterday, or when they get another shipment in two weeks. I'm thinking they sell pretty quickly.

salvadore · December 22, 2010, 11:37 AM

Got one yesterday, looks unfired, cute cleaning kit, nice throw away holster. All matching #s on frame barrel and slide.

Drachenstein · December 22, 2010, 04:56 PM

I called, the price changed from $299 to $349 as the lady and I talked on the phone,,,, I didn't order one.:barf:

salvadore · December 22, 2010, 07:21 PM

Yeppers, I called about the missing extra mag and the rep said price was going up and that most of the guns were already sold to a retailer. The gent I talked to said another mag was on the way and that they went so fast the whole crew was filling orders and he might be getting more calls about stuff missing. Like I said the shooter looks new and does anyone know if a small stampin on slide ( 1-78 ) might be the month and year of manufacture?

I'm like you tho, I hate to pay another $50.00 over the first price quoted.

Drachenstein · December 23, 2010, 12:42 PM

It's more like seeing a published sale price and a real selling price. I would understand if the add were old but it's not. Some venues call it bait and switch.

salvadore · December 23, 2010, 01:40 PM

To be fair, the first ad I saw in the SGN was about a month ago, and while it may be a switch, I don't think it's a bait and switch. It should also be noted that the new price ad in the current SGN is followed by an ad by another dealer for a hundred more dollars.

gyvel · December 30, 2010, 06:09 AM

Sounds like the same ones J&G had a couple of years ago for $269.00 with holster, kit and two mags.

Iron Man · December 30, 2010, 09:42 AM

Salvatore,

The 1/78 on the slide is the manufacture date of the slide. These are most likely not unfired guns, but NATO maintenance guns. What I mean by that is in the late 70s through early 80s the guns went to maintenance. Older P38/P1 slides were replaced with what is known as "fat" slides. Many of these guns did not go back into circulation after the maintenance was completed. Sometimes the serial number on the frame, barrel, and slide will be different, other times they will be the same. Depending on the maintenance performed the new slide was sometimes stamped with the last three numbers of the frame serial number.

If these are the weapons I am familiar with, they are Bundeswehr P1s used by the German Border Patrol.

If it was a NATO maintenance pistol it will have either a serial number on the right side of the frame (early maintenance period), a BW or Bw on the left side of the frame (late maintenance period), or sometimes both (middle maintenance period).

If you can still get one for $349.00, do it. They are magnificient firearms.

salvadore · December 30, 2010, 04:02 PM

Iron Man
This one has three middle numbers from the frame's serial number on the slide just forward of the safety lever and on the barrel just front of the wedge thingy you have to push up to get the slide barrel assy. back on the frame. It also has a W4.96 stamped on the right side of the frame. It has a bolt thru the frame above and forward of the trigger. If the # on the slide and barrel are the last 3 of the serial number then there is another # behind it that starts with a W, a number, something that looks like a g partially in a circle and BW which I'm told is Bundeswer, or german army....Is that right?

Can you tell me if the slide has different deminsions that other P-1s?

Thanks for the info.

salvadore · December 30, 2010, 04:06 PM

One other question, in the cleaning kit there is a plastic plunger thingy about 4" long I have no idea what it is for....Does anyone?

Drachenstein · December 30, 2010, 09:04 PM

Aim just released them for $319. 2 mags and holster. I put my order in this evening.

December 9, 2010, 10:55 AM	#1
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	P-1 Just as a heads up, Royal Tiger Imports LTD. has C&R escellent to unissued P-1 Walthers for for $299 and $350 including holster and cleaning kit. I've owned P-1s and a P-4 they are great shooters and this is by far the best deal I have ever gotten on one.

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December 9, 2010, 07:24 PM	#2
Drachenstein Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: Elizabethtown, KY Posts: 224	Where"s this, I don't see anything on their web site,,,,,,, just P64s

December 11, 2010, 03:33 PM	#3
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	They advertise in every third Shotgun News, or so. according to the woman I spoke to I will be shipped one yesterday, or when they get another shipment in two weeks. I'm thinking they sell pretty quickly.

December 22, 2010, 11:37 AM	#4
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	Got one yesterday, looks unfired, cute cleaning kit, nice throw away holster. All matching #s on frame barrel and slide.

December 22, 2010, 04:56 PM	#5
Drachenstein Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: Elizabethtown, KY Posts: 224	I called, the price changed from $299 to $349 as the lady and I talked on the phone,,,, I didn't order one.:barf:

December 22, 2010, 07:21 PM	#6
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	Yeppers, I called about the missing extra mag and the rep said price was going up and that most of the guns were already sold to a retailer. The gent I talked to said another mag was on the way and that they went so fast the whole crew was filling orders and he might be getting more calls about stuff missing. Like I said the shooter looks new and does anyone know if a small stampin on slide ( 1-78 ) might be the month and year of manufacture? I'm like you tho, I hate to pay another $50.00 over the first price quoted.

December 23, 2010, 12:42 PM	#7
Drachenstein Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: Elizabethtown, KY Posts: 224	It's more like seeing a published sale price and a real selling price. I would understand if the add were old but it's not. Some venues call it bait and switch.

December 23, 2010, 01:40 PM	#8
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	To be fair, the first ad I saw in the SGN was about a month ago, and while it may be a switch, I don't think it's a bait and switch. It should also be noted that the new price ad in the current SGN is followed by an ad by another dealer for a hundred more dollars.

December 30, 2010, 06:09 AM	#9
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Sounds like the same ones J&G had a couple of years ago for $269.00 with holster, kit and two mags.

December 30, 2010, 09:42 AM	#10
Iron Man Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 346	Salvatore, The 1/78 on the slide is the manufacture date of the slide. These are most likely not unfired guns, but NATO maintenance guns. What I mean by that is in the late 70s through early 80s the guns went to maintenance. Older P38/P1 slides were replaced with what is known as "fat" slides. Many of these guns did not go back into circulation after the maintenance was completed. Sometimes the serial number on the frame, barrel, and slide will be different, other times they will be the same. Depending on the maintenance performed the new slide was sometimes stamped with the last three numbers of the frame serial number. If these are the weapons I am familiar with, they are Bundeswehr P1s used by the German Border Patrol. If it was a NATO maintenance pistol it will have either a serial number on the right side of the frame (early maintenance period), a BW or Bw on the left side of the frame (late maintenance period), or sometimes both (middle maintenance period). If you can still get one for $349.00, do it. They are magnificient firearms.

December 30, 2010, 04:02 PM	#11
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	Iron Man This one has three middle numbers from the frame's serial number on the slide just forward of the safety lever and on the barrel just front of the wedge thingy you have to push up to get the slide barrel assy. back on the frame. It also has a W4.96 stamped on the right side of the frame. It has a bolt thru the frame above and forward of the trigger. If the # on the slide and barrel are the last 3 of the serial number then there is another # behind it that starts with a W, a number, something that looks like a g partially in a circle and BW which I'm told is Bundeswer, or german army....Is that right? Can you tell me if the slide has different deminsions that other P-1s? Thanks for the info.

December 30, 2010, 04:06 PM	#12
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	One other question, in the cleaning kit there is a plastic plunger thingy about 4" long I have no idea what it is for....Does anyone?

December 30, 2010, 09:04 PM	#13
Drachenstein Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: Elizabethtown, KY Posts: 224	Aim just released them for $319. 2 mags and holster. I put my order in this evening.