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July 28, 2014, 12:19 AM | #26 | |
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July 28, 2014, 12:25 AM | #27 |
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Pretty good source:
https://twitter.com/emilymiller/stat...72214558851072 DC Police get word: "no more arrests" if you have a CCW from any state?
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More from the Washington Post here.
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Meanwhile, the DC attorney general's office will be pursuing a stay, and it looks like the mayor set to replace Gray will be encouraging an appeal.
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NO, Tom, you've got it very wrong.
Why? Because the court already accepted as fact that non-DC people can't register jack, and then the court told DC they could not discriminate against non-DC people. This court read the US Supreme court correctly for a change in Saenz v. Roe (1999) and Ward v. Maryland (1870). Forcing non-DC people to show a card WE CANNOT GET would violate the order.
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So at this point...right now until some court mumbo-jumbo says we have to hold off until after the next round in court...we can carry in DC?
Yes we can...until they stay the order. My guess is that this will be the world's fastest stay and appeal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...981_story.html Last edited by tomrkba; July 28, 2014 at 07:14 AM. |
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Emily Miller's Facebook page says she's going on Fox5 DC live at 8am to put it out there.
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Those two laws are toast. The District MAY enact a concealed carry statute that has a mechanism for persons to apply for and receive permits, but for now they cannot prohibit residents with registered weapons or non-resident permit holders from carrying in DC.
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My reading of the tea leaves doesn't lead me to think Judge Scullin is inclined to stay his decision, so any stay will likely have to come from the DC Court of Appeals. I would think if DC CoA was going to issue an emergency stay, they'd have done so by now.
And no, Judge Scullin's ruling makes it quite clear that for non-DC residents, there is now no general prohibition on handgun carry in DC and they may carry wherever federal law permits (ie not in school zones). |
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On the face of it, there appears to be no requirement for ANYTHING for non-residents of DC... the POST article mentions non-felons, but the Judge's order does not specify what constitutes a "qualified individual", and as we know there are as many "flavors" of "qualified individuals" outside DC as there are states, including the no-permit states. There also has been no mention of OC vs concealed, so...
Could there conceivably be OC by any non-felon non-DC-resident ? This is the most fun news I've heard in a long while! |
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Financial penalties are no penalty to these people. It's not their money and the people who own the money have shown no propensity to care. These politicians would roll it up and use it for firewood if they had to.
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http://concealednation.org/2014/07/b...nd-open-carry/ I can actually see DC not appealing this decision, but I can also see them slapping a may-issue concealed carry statute onto the books just as fast as they can copy New Jersey's law.
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"May issue" amounts to no issue if the judge/county/jurisdiction in question decides such, and DC will. In fact, that'll be their intent... and they'll lose... in about 3-5 years... and then they'll do it again.
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Bear in mind, they're going to do everything they can not to comply with this. Of course, we could tell those Texas open-carry guys to give it a go and let them be the test case.
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DC Police Chief orders arrests to halt, Including non-residents
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http://alangura.com/wp-content/uploa.../07-137-14.pdf
DC police orders on ruling signed by the chief. |
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Wow diamondd817! That .pdf made it so "real" it shocked me into adding an irrelevant comment here.
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Nope, the court order was about handguns.
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So, jumping in without having read the decision . . . . If I understand this correctly, if I wanted to go off and CC in DC, I'd have to register my gun with DC first? Makes me wonder just how onerous those requirements are, seeing as how I'm unable to register a gun in AR.
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My reading of it was that DC residents must register their handguns and that any one from another state need only have a carry permit.
Which makes me wonder about people from Arizona, Alaska, Vermont etc. where no permit is needed to carry a firearm.
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Guys, read the PDF file I posted above. It is the orders from the cheif as to who can a can not carry a gun. It even cites examples and has the chief's signature.....
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