Can all .410's shoot .45 LC

UpandAtIt · May 1, 2010, 06:53 PM

I often see .410s that also shoot .45 long colt.

1. Can all modern .410's shoot .45 long colt?

2. Would a shot gun barrel need to be rifled to shoot .45 long colt?

3. Would the rifling for the 45LC ruin a shot pattern of a .410?

Bill DeShivs · May 1, 2010, 07:02 PM

Absolutely not! .45 Colt should never be fired in any shotgun, unless the gun was specifically designed to handle the pistol cartridge.

Dave McC · May 1, 2010, 07:44 PM

What Bill said!

oneounceload · May 1, 2010, 08:06 PM

If you're intimating about "The Judge", it is a pistol first that can also shoot 410. You have to build the gun for the higher pressure round - in this case, the 45C. The 410 doesn't generate near the pressure of the 45

SouthCali · May 1, 2010, 08:12 PM

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If you're intimating about "The Judge", it is a pistol first that can also shoot 410.

Have you or someone you know/talked to shot the Judge??

I wanted it as soon as i heard about it (and looked it up) but being as i am in No Fun Gun California, i have noone to ask about it!

PetahW · May 1, 2010, 08:20 PM

[1. Can all modern .410's shoot .45 long colt? ] - No.

[2. Would a shot gun barrel need to be rifled to shoot .45 long colt?] -

Yes, it would - AND, it would also need to be stronger, as posted above.

[3. Would the rifling for the 45LC ruin a shot pattern of a .410?] -

Yes, the centrifical force of the rifling would spin the shot charge, creating a "donut" pattern, with a "hole' in the center that had no shot/pellets.

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zippy13 · May 1, 2010, 08:57 PM

.45 LC in a .410-bore shotgun?

As my old navy chief used to say, "Not no, but hell no!"

predator86 · May 1, 2010, 09:33 PM

i have shot and handled a couple of judges, my personal favorite is the 2 1/2'' chamber, 3 inch barreled stainless version, if you get a 3 inch chamber they just feel really bulky...anywho..they are a BLAST to shoot, clay pigeon in your left hand, toss it up and breaking it with your right hand is tons of fun, but it gets pricey quick...410 aint cheap

zippy13 · May 2, 2010, 01:48 AM

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tons of fun, but it gets pricey quick...410 aint cheap

It's a shame since the .410-bore is the cheapest to reload. We need many more .410 shooters to shift the demand curve and bring the prices down. The same goes for the 28-ga. The little guns are such a small percentage of the total shotgun ammo sales, the shell manufacturers act like they are doing us a favor by selling us ammo at sky high prices.

oneounceload · May 2, 2010, 08:23 AM

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It's a shame since the .410-bore is the cheapest to reload. We need many more .410 shooters to shift the demand curve and bring the prices down. The same goes for the 28-ga. The little guns are such a small percentage of the total shotgun ammo sales, the shell manufacturers act like they are doing us a favor by selling us ammo at sky high prices.

And it becomes vicious cycle - because prices are high, 410 and 28 shooters reload and not buying factory as often.

Perhaps someone like RST or Polywad could load massive quantities and sell lower than the big boys and capture the market - THAT would be nice

UpandAtIt · May 2, 2010, 04:01 PM

The firearms I was refering to were the H&R Handy gun in .45lc / .410, the commanchee pistol (single shot) in .45 / .410, the Rossi rifle/shot gun w/o changing barrels in .45lc / .410.

There are others like the judge and the Mil-Thunder 5.

I was just wondering if my older Savage .410's would be able to shoot .45lc. as it would be nice to have a dual use lil handy rifle that took both caliber and shotgun rounds.

I reload .410's but I am old school, I use a older lee loader, one round at a time hand held loader, takes a cpl change outs to get a cpl boxes, but it is simple, cheap and a good segment of nice time on the deck out back in the air.

darkgael · May 2, 2010, 04:38 PM

Don't wonder about shooting .45s in your old Savage shotguns.
Don't do it. Look at the numbers - .410" diameter (.390" if FC) and .452" diameter.
You may be able to shoot .410s in a gun chambered for .45 Colt but NOT the other way around.

zippy13 · May 2, 2010, 05:44 PM

UpandAtIt,
As my friend, darkgael, points out, you're forgetting the size issue. Little goes into big, big doesn't go into little. The typically .410/.45 guns are the same arraingement as the Taurus Judge and shoot a shot shell in an oversized barrel.

The reason this is possible is that shot shell case walls are much thicker than metallic cartridge case walls. And, a chamber cut for a .410 shot shell is similar in diameter to a chamber cut for .45 caliber metallic chamber.

Theoretically, if you want to be shoot bullets down a .410 shotgun barrel, forget about the .45 LC and think about something in .41 caliber. But, you'd have to have a metallic case with thick walls similar to a shot shell. Perhaps you'd be happy if you got some all-brass .410 cases, loaded them with lead slugs and shot them in a .410 shotgun.

May 1, 2010, 06:53 PM	#1
UpandAtIt Junior member Join Date: February 14, 2010 Posts: 233	Can all .410's shoot .45 LC I often see .410s that also shoot .45 long colt. 1. Can all modern .410's shoot .45 long colt? 2. Would a shot gun barrel need to be rifled to shoot .45 long colt? 3. Would the rifling for the 45LC ruin a shot pattern of a .410?

May 1, 2010, 07:02 PM	#2
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,984	Absolutely not! .45 Colt should never be fired in any shotgun, unless the gun was specifically designed to handle the pistol cartridge. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

May 1, 2010, 09:33 PM	#8
predator86 Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: wisconsin Posts: 549	i have shot and handled a couple of judges, my personal favorite is the 2 1/2'' chamber, 3 inch barreled stainless version, if you get a 3 inch chamber they just feel really bulky...anywho..they are a BLAST to shoot, clay pigeon in your left hand, toss it up and breaking it with your right hand is tons of fun, but it gets pricey quick...410 aint cheap __________________ Beware the man with one gun.

May 2, 2010, 04:38 PM	#12
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	Confusion Don't wonder about shooting .45s in your old Savage shotguns. Don't do it. Look at the numbers - .410" diameter (.390" if FC) and .452" diameter. You may be able to shoot .410s in a gun chambered for .45 Colt but NOT the other way around. __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

May 1, 2010, 07:44 PM	#3
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	What Bill said!

May 1, 2010, 08:06 PM	#4
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	If you're intimating about "The Judge", it is a pistol first that can also shoot 410. You have to build the gun for the higher pressure round - in this case, the 45C. The 410 doesn't generate near the pressure of the 45

May 1, 2010, 08:20 PM	#6
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	[1. Can all modern .410's shoot .45 long colt? ] - No. [2. Would a shot gun barrel need to be rifled to shoot .45 long colt?] - Yes, it would - AND, it would also need to be stronger, as posted above. [3. Would the rifling for the 45LC ruin a shot pattern of a .410?] - Yes, the centrifical force of the rifling would spin the shot charge, creating a "donut" pattern, with a "hole' in the center that had no shot/pellets. .

May 1, 2010, 08:57 PM	#7
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	.45 LC in a .410-bore shotgun? As my old navy chief used to say, "Not no, but hell no!"

May 2, 2010, 04:01 PM	#11
UpandAtIt Junior member Join Date: February 14, 2010 Posts: 233	The firearms I was refering to were the H&R Handy gun in .45lc / .410, the commanchee pistol (single shot) in .45 / .410, the Rossi rifle/shot gun w/o changing barrels in .45lc / .410. There are others like the judge and the Mil-Thunder 5. I was just wondering if my older Savage .410's would be able to shoot .45lc. as it would be nice to have a dual use lil handy rifle that took both caliber and shotgun rounds. I reload .410's but I am old school, I use a older lee loader, one round at a time hand held loader, takes a cpl change outs to get a cpl boxes, but it is simple, cheap and a good segment of nice time on the deck out back in the air.

May 2, 2010, 05:44 PM	#13
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	UpandAtIt, As my friend, darkgael, points out, you're forgetting the size issue. Little goes into big, big doesn't go into little. The typically .410/.45 guns are the same arraingement as the Taurus Judge and shoot a shot shell in an oversized barrel. The reason this is possible is that shot shell case walls are much thicker than metallic cartridge case walls. And, a chamber cut for a .410 shot shell is similar in diameter to a chamber cut for .45 caliber metallic chamber. Theoretically, if you want to be shoot bullets down a .410 shotgun barrel, forget about the .45 LC and think about something in .41 caliber. But, you'd have to have a metallic case with thick walls similar to a shot shell. Perhaps you'd be happy if you got some all-brass .410 cases, loaded them with lead slugs and shot them in a .410 shotgun.