April 2, 2013, 11:15 PM | #26 |
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Reynolds,
No cartridge is super wonderful, if there was one, there would be no need for any other type of cartridge. I love my Creedmoor, and it is super wonderful to me. I would say though, that the Creedmoor is the natural progression from .250-3000 to .22-250 to 6mm XC to 6.5 Creedmoor. GeauxTide, The .260 is a fine cartridge, it's just not my cup of tea in regards to short action 6.5 mm cartridges. Max Planck once stated "science advances one funeral at a time." In my mind the 260 represents a stagnation of thought processes, and the 308 cartridge family are the old guard of the short action club. I just tire of the old guard bashing other cartridges as redundant, when instead they should celebrate the advancement in cartridge "science." That is why I get a tad bit defensive. Last edited by Geo_Erudite; April 3, 2013 at 08:13 AM. |
April 3, 2013, 12:05 AM | #27 |
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The 6.5 Creedmoore is great, almost matches the performance of what the Swede's put out in 1894.
Most shooters would never notice any difference from an accuracy/performance standpoint between the 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5x55 Swede, 260 Remington, 6.5-284, or 6.5-06. I am a big fan of the 6.5 mm in general, and when I was building a LR rig, I built a 6.5-06, because at the time the 260 had just been introduced, and wasn't widely available. If I was doing it again today, I would build a .260. |
April 4, 2013, 11:32 AM | #28 |
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.260 rem question
How about the 6.5 Remington Magnum?
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April 4, 2013, 08:07 PM | #29 |
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Geo, the only real difference in the .260 and the Creedmoore is their name. I'm no real fan of either. I bought a Creedmoore because the price was right. Its a nice cartridge, but its success is due much more in part to successful marketing than performance or accuracy difference between it and the .260.
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264 Win Mag: 3000FPS 6.5-06: 2950 FPS 6.5-284: 2900 FPS 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser 2700 FPS 260 Remington 2700 FPS 6.5 Rem Mag: no loads for 140 gr, Sierra says they did not include them because the OAL would be too long for a short action with heavy bullets. Published 120 gr loads are (surprisingly)~300 fps slower than 6.5-06 or 6.5-284. My Horrnady manual does lists 140 gr loads up to 2900 FPS. 6.5 Creedmoore: Not listed in any of my loading books. Hodgdon's web site lists 140 gr loads in the 2600 range for max loads. A practical difference between the 260 Rem and the 264 Win Mag, in a 10 MPH full value wind, you will have about 4" less wind at 600 yards (4.5MOA/28.5" @ 2700 FPS vs 3.8MOA/24.2" @ 3000FPS) The Creedmoore would be a little worse, but not much. A High master Long Range shooter could probably tell the difference, but most people couldn't. A deer certainly wouldn't. |
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April 4, 2013, 09:47 PM | #31 |
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Most of the data you see on the .264 Win. mag. is 24" barrel data. The .264 Win. mag. is significantly faster than published data with a 26" barrel. I have 4 .264 Win mags. Two have 26 in barrels, 1 has 24, one has a 28. The 26" barrel can push the 140 real close to 3300 without showing extreme pressure signs. The 28 will push a 100 grain over 4000fps. In my opinion, all the 22" and 24" loading data out there for the Win. mag. do it extreme injustice.
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From Nosler's new reloading manual: 140 grain Accubond loaded to max with 44 grains of Hunter is 2730 fps From Hornady's 8th Edition: With 140 grain A-Max or SST loaded to a max with 41.7 grains Norma URP, 43.2 grains of Winchestor 760, 42 grains of RL-17, or 42.6 grains of Hybrid 100V you achieve 2725+ fps. Last edited by Geo_Erudite; April 4, 2013 at 10:48 PM. |
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