Bought gun online. Can't get copy of seller's Drivers license

freenokia · February 26, 2012, 11:24 PM

Bought a gun on Gunbroker. Gun's here but seller won't send copy of his license. FFL who received the gun said he must have a copy of the guy's license...

What can I do?

Seller was invidual from New Mexico

Gun was recieved in Georgia

**Tom Servo** · February 26, 2012, 11:49 PM

While it's not a legal requirement, most FFL's will want a copy of the driver's license to keep the books straight.

Has the seller articulated why he won't send a copy of his license? I'd consider contacting GunBroker to see if they're willing to intervene as well.

Herr Walther · February 27, 2012, 12:03 AM

Receiver can look up senders license information on-line.

**Tom Servo** · February 27, 2012, 12:13 AM

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Receiver can look up senders license information on-line.

It appears that it was a private seller, not an FFL.

freenokia · February 27, 2012, 12:42 AM

My ffl said he needed a copy of his DL for the ATF. I didn't press it because I figured it wouldn't be a problem.

That was Friday. Sent seller an email Friday afternoon. Seller responded right away that he would do it first thing Saturday. Claimed it would be here by 1pm, my time....1pm saturday comes and goes. So I send another email saturday evening - no response. Sent another about 2hrs ago - no response..

The guy is kinda apathetic anyway. I sent him all the shipping info, he sends back the total, I send the CC info, my card is billed the next day, I request the tracking number-no response. A few days later I re-request the shipping number and he says he needs some more info.

If I haven't received it by noon tomorrow, I'm going to call the store and check my options. Just wanted to check here and try to get a heads up for what I'm probably instore for.

Thanks for the answer, especially the suggestion to contact gunbroker. Hadn't thought about that.

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Receiver can look up senders license information on-line.

Yeah, it was a private seller. Even if it wasn't I'd hate to have to ask my FFL to clean up my mess.

divil · February 27, 2012, 10:16 AM

Doesn't make sense - the FFL shouldn't have to provide the ATF with the seller's license should he?

I sounds to me like the FFL has possession of your property and is making his own rules about handing it over.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 27, 2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by divil

Doesn't make sense - the FFL shouldn't have to provide the ATF with the seller's license should he?

The FFL doesn't need the driver's license number, but he does have to enter the seller's full name and address into his bound book as the source of an incoming firearm. Most FFLs use a driver's license as a way to verify that the name and address are correct and complete.

Armorer-at-Law · February 27, 2012, 10:45 AM

Some FFLs will not do transfers from private sellers for just this reason. That is aggravating to a buyer, but it seems the least the seller could do, understanding that the FFL who will handle the tranfer needs some minimal information.

Herr Walther · February 27, 2012, 11:32 AM

We never accepted transfers from individuals. Always had to come from an FFL that had logged it in and then logged it out to us.

I've never even heard of a transfer from a private party across state lines except to a repair facility or gunsmith.

gc70 · February 27, 2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by freenokia

Gun's here but seller won't send copy of his license.

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Originally Posted by freenokia

Sent seller an email Friday afternoon. Seller responded right away that he would do it first thing Saturday. Claimed it would be here by 1pm, my time....1pm saturday comes and goes. So I send another email saturday evening - no response. Sent another about 2hrs ago - no response.

The seller has agreed to cooperate, but is apparently consistently slow.

maestro pistolero · February 27, 2012, 01:59 PM

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I've never even heard of a transfer from a private party across state lines except to a repair facility or gunsmith.

Really? It's extremely common, though perhaps not in your state. I've done a half dozen or so purchases from private parties who shipped directly to my FFL. In fact, unless it's a new online purchase, it's always been PP to FFL.

Technosavant · February 27, 2012, 02:41 PM

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I've never even heard of a transfer from a private party across state lines except to a repair facility or gunsmith.

Not sure why.

I once sold a gun across state lines; I drove over the border to the FFL and handed the gun personally to the dealer. He logged the gun and started the process of transferring it to the buyer.

I can understand a FFL wanting a clear idea of how the gun came to them, but I have yet to see an incident where a FFL got in trouble for accepting a gun across state lines from a private party. Not that it's never happened, but given how many I read about refusing to do so, I would think there would have been some incidents of that happening.

Really, it's precious little different from somebody bringing a gun in on trade- that comes from a private party too. Same state (usually), but still; there's no ATF regulation prohibiting it.

dogtown tom · February 27, 2012, 04:10 PM

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Herr Walther We never accepted transfers from individuals. Always had to come from an FFL that had logged it in and then logged it out to us.

I've never even heard of a transfer from a private party across state lines except to a repair facility or gunsmith.

Its kinda tough to hear of a private party transfer when you don't accept transfers from individuals.

Half of my transfers I receive are from nonlicensees.........thanks for the business.

Herr Walther · February 28, 2012, 06:46 AM

I'm not in a gun friendly state and this was twelve years ago. This is the way my employer wanted it. Whether or not it was the law or a regulation back then is irrelevent.

Why would our not accepting private transfers have the slightest impact on your business?

dogtown tom · February 28, 2012, 10:54 AM

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Herr Walther ....Why would our not accepting private transfers have the slightest impact on your business?

Dealers who refuse transfers from nonlicensees lose their business to dealers that do accept from nonlicensees.

That attitude puts $$$ in my pocket.

Pahoo · February 28, 2012, 11:13 AM

Well, I finally see the rational and logic of transferring to an FFL, from an FFL. Takes all the guess work and hassle out of it the process. ....

On a related note, there was one occasion where the seller, who is an FFL, not only required the FFL on this end but a copy of my driver's license as well. Instead of a driver's license, I provided and alternate I.D. that was acceptable.

Once at a Gun Show, bought a rifle from a guy off the floor and his requirement was that the transaction, go through an FFL and he paid for the cost. Not a problem ....

Be Safe !!!

freenokia · February 28, 2012, 02:07 PM

Got my Gun

Found the seller's phone number on gunbroker

saltydog452 · February 28, 2012, 02:24 PM

There are software programs available where, given a name, license plate, address, etc., or DL number, lots of stuff is Public Information. As so, it is readily available for a search fee.

No accuracy gurantee, or if the information that is provided to the search engine is legit, or not. GIGO.

See if your Credit Card agency has an option for Fraud Protection. Looks as though you might need it.

Given some time, you can untangle the buyer, seller, FFl issues. Right now, I'd do the Credit Card Equilavent of a 'Stop Payment'.

salty

February 26, 2012, 11:24 PM	#1
freenokia Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2011 Posts: 142	Bought gun online. Can't get copy of seller's Drivers license Bought a gun on Gunbroker. Gun's here but seller won't send copy of his license. FFL who received the gun said he must have a copy of the guy's license... What can I do? Seller was invidual from New Mexico Gun was recieved in Georgia

February 26, 2012, 11:49 PM	#2
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	While it's not a legal requirement, most FFL's will want a copy of the driver's license to keep the books straight. Has the seller articulated why he won't send a copy of his license? I'd consider contacting GunBroker to see if they're willing to intervene as well. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

February 27, 2012, 12:03 AM	#3
Herr Walther Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: A Place Worse than California Posts: 782	Receiver can look up senders license information on-line. __________________ "It was people who upheld their duties to their office, the constitution, and the public by opposing Hitler who were called traitors" ------------------------------------- "...a historian asked what had happened to the German people for them to accept a criminal government. Unfortunately, nothing needed to happen. In nations across the world people accept government crime." ------------------------------------- "In democracies as well as dictatorships, subordinates illegally obey their rulers. Subordinates who remain true to their oaths of office by opposing their rulers are rare."

February 27, 2012, 10:45 AM	#8
Armorer-at-Law Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 465	Some FFLs will not do transfers from private sellers for just this reason. That is aggravating to a buyer, but it seems the least the seller could do, understanding that the FFL who will handle the tranfer needs some minimal information. __________________ Send lawyers, guns, and money... Armorer-at-Law.com 07FFL/02SOT

February 27, 2012, 11:32 AM	#9
Herr Walther Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: A Place Worse than California Posts: 782	We never accepted transfers from individuals. Always had to come from an FFL that had logged it in and then logged it out to us. I've never even heard of a transfer from a private party across state lines except to a repair facility or gunsmith. __________________ "It was people who upheld their duties to their office, the constitution, and the public by opposing Hitler who were called traitors" ------------------------------------- "...a historian asked what had happened to the German people for them to accept a criminal government. Unfortunately, nothing needed to happen. In nations across the world people accept government crime." ------------------------------------- "In democracies as well as dictatorships, subordinates illegally obey their rulers. Subordinates who remain true to their oaths of office by opposing their rulers are rare."

February 27, 2012, 10:16 AM	#6
divil Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2009 Posts: 506	Doesn't make sense - the FFL shouldn't have to provide the ATF with the seller's license should he? I sounds to me like the FFL has possession of your property and is making his own rules about handing it over.

February 28, 2012, 06:46 AM	#14
Herr Walther Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: A Place Worse than California Posts: 782	I'm not in a gun friendly state and this was twelve years ago. This is the way my employer wanted it. Whether or not it was the law or a regulation back then is irrelevent. Why would our not accepting private transfers have the slightest impact on your business? __________________ "It was people who upheld their duties to their office, the constitution, and the public by opposing Hitler who were called traitors" ------------------------------------- "...a historian asked what had happened to the German people for them to accept a criminal government. Unfortunately, nothing needed to happen. In nations across the world people accept government crime." ------------------------------------- "In democracies as well as dictatorships, subordinates illegally obey their rulers. Subordinates who remain true to their oaths of office by opposing their rulers are rare."

February 28, 2012, 11:13 AM	#16
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	Sure makes sense !!! Well, I finally see the rational and logic of transferring to an FFL, from an FFL. Takes all the guess work and hassle out of it the process. .... On a related note, there was one occasion where the seller, who is an FFL, not only required the FFL on this end but a copy of my driver's license as well. Instead of a driver's license, I provided and alternate I.D. that was acceptable. Once at a Gun Show, bought a rifle from a guy off the floor and his requirement was that the transaction, go through an FFL and he paid for the cost. Not a problem .... Be Safe !!! __________________ 'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.

February 28, 2012, 02:07 PM	#17
freenokia Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2011 Posts: 142	Got my Gun Found the seller's phone number on gunbroker

February 28, 2012, 02:24 PM	#18
saltydog452 Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2004 Posts: 516	There are software programs available where, given a name, license plate, address, etc., or DL number, lots of stuff is Public Information. As so, it is readily available for a search fee. No accuracy gurantee, or if the information that is provided to the search engine is legit, or not. GIGO. See if your Credit Card agency has an option for Fraud Protection. Looks as though you might need it. Given some time, you can untangle the buyer, seller, FFl issues. Right now, I'd do the Credit Card Equilavent of a 'Stop Payment'. salty

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