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August 10, 2009, 12:04 PM | #76 | |
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There are obvious exceptions to the prohibition on shooting a target that you cannot see. Read my previous post #66 for one example of why I not only WOULD shoot through a closed door but would personally consider it foolish not to.
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August 10, 2009, 01:14 PM | #77 |
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In my mind there is a huge difference in someone beating on a exterior door and someone who is already inside my home, beating on a locked interior door (ie bedroom).
If a person is outside my home and there is a intact barrier(door) between me and the bad-guy. Speaking for myself... I wouldnt feel that enough jeopardy exists for me to fire.
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I think you have bought in too much to the Surefire lights ads where they proclaim the light to be a weapon unto itself.
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I would definitely say that a person shouldn't shoot through a door unless they have verbally warned the attempted intruder and unless they feel that the entry is imminent and that it poses a deadly threat. Quote:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/sto...3623085&page=1 Police have said they have no plans to file charges against Logg. http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefe...1_archive.html The homeowner then fired a shot through the door with a 12-gauge shotgun, striking Stanley in the stomach. ... The homeowner has not been charged... http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefe...labels/MS.html In a Nov. 27 shooting, Jackson homeowner Cedric Marshall wasn't indicted in the death of Marcus D. Rawls, 23, also of Jackson....Published reports said Marshall thought two men were trying to break into his home and shot through the door to scare away the intruders. Here are some cases where the homeowner was shot through the door. Who thinks it would be reasonable to return fire? http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2...8610536119.txt http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/3103496/ Quote:
YES, once the door is gone, you can see to get a clear shot. Unfortunately so can the criminal. Quote:
Again, I want to stress that it's absolutely inadvisable, illegal, and immoral to simply shoot through the door at noises and I am NOT saying that anyone should do such a thing. What I'm addressing is the idea that it's never a good idea to shoot through a door. In very specific circumstances it makes a lot of sense to shoot through a door because it gives the defender a good chance of stopping a criminal after the criminal has demonstrated violent intent/ability/motivation but just before the criminal has a good chance of injuring the defender. The specific circumstances are:
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JohnKSa... Thanks for the links. Actually, I was aware of at least one of those precedents, and some others -- but I was hoping eclipsetactical might back up his "I know someone" example with some documentation... still hoping.
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Many years ago my wife and I checked into a motel (this was back when you used actual keys) and went up to the second floor to go into the room. For some reason the key wouldn't work and I fiddled with it for quite a while until the maid saw us and asked if something was wrong. I showed her the key and siad I couldn't get it to work so we could move in. She thought for a minute and said that this room is already occupied. She knocked on the door and some fellow opened it standing there with a towel around him having just gotten out of the shower. He had decided to stay an extra night and the desk clerk had not noted it.
If he had not been in the shower and heard my working on the door he could easily have judged that someone was trying to break in. We did get a different "suite" that wasn't occupied. Having been on both sides of the door I really suggest that you identify your target before pulling the trigger. |
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Maybe I misread, but at what point PT111 were you trying to break down the motel room door in order to gain entry? We really aren't talking about mistaken doors issues, but somebody getting physically violent with the door.
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August 10, 2009, 07:37 PM | #83 |
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Personal Experience with doors.
2 occasions, ~10 years apart, in different homes (we moved), same guy entering.
#3 son, tall adult male, not living with us, lets himself into home in dark. Dog makes no loud noise, too busy whimpering, dancing, and wiggling with joy. Son stands well clear of bedroom, calls loudly to us, identifying himself. One time with an old key, 2d time "broke in" by opening a garage window that I thought was a. locked and b. behind a pile of firewood. He knew what could happen, and identified himself. No harm done (he never told his Mom how he got in the 2d time). I'm strong on "classifying" the intruder, BG or GG, before shooting. If the door starts to come apart, the intruder has just classified himself. Sorry about that.
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Yes if someone was trying to hoof my door down especially if I closed it on them I would shoot them through it.
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I will wait until I have a good target, will aim the shotgun and let him have a dose. But then I am not a scared nutcase with a high level of self rightiosness. We country folk know how to handle this kind of scenario. I would have been alerted to any danger by the sounds of my 4 dogs I would have plenty of time to get ready. If and I do mean if anyone got that far he would be very lucky indeed. Dont shoot thru doors. You do as you wish. I would recommend moving to a safer locastion. |
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"Excuse me sir. Please stop kicking down my door, the movers are on the way and will be here shortly. We're moving somewhere safer; after we're gone you can resume your attempts to break in."I understand what you're saying but this is not about where you live, it's about what to do if you find yourself in your house with someone breaking down your door. It's probably MORE likely to happen in some areas than in others, but it's not realistic to imply that there are areas where it never happens. Quote:
That's not reality. In the real world bad guys don't always present a good target (since they don't like being shot any more than the good guys do) and instead of standing in the doorway waiting for a "good dose" they often move quickly and shoot back or otherwise do their level best to kill or injure the good guy while remaining uninjured themselves. It's your choice to wait to engage the bad guy until your door is down and no longer provides you any security, but don't kid yourself into believing that you're guaranteed a good target to shoot at or that you'll be able to resolve the situation with a single shot without ever being in any real danger yourself. Life has a nasty way of being far messier than that.
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i know my target is trying to get through my door. he's right there in front of me. I don't need to see him visually. I can see him mentally. He's the monster on the other side coming. I already said GTFO I gots me a gun and I called the cops. The dog is barking, my shotgun and 45 are in my hand and beltline. I pump a round into the shotgun, and again I hear and see my door move. My lock is almost broken, and I can hear kicking and moving. I don't think I need to wait anymore.
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Others need to check the laws in their juridictions. In at least one state, at least part of the perp has to be inside the house; some states may require retreat if possible; and in not all jurisdictions is a hotel room covered. That may not preclude one from having a reasonable belief, etc., and may only mean that the presumption is not automatic, but one should know the laws. |
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Security is very important for me in my home, I do not carry 24/7 but a weapon is always close to hand. The dogs help a lot as well as my location. If anyone is living in fear of their surroundings, they can change that now cant they? So if someone is kicking in my door, I grab the shotgun, get all into the bedroom wife is on the 911 line, I am aiming for the door, if anyone opens it well I wouldnt want to be them. Chances of this hapenning in my neck o the woods? very slim. I have been shot, I will do my best to keep this from happening again. |
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I consider all possibilities that I can think of. Some of them are so remote that it may take mere milli-moments (trademarked, patented, copywrit word there) to realize that there is no sense in expending further energy. Some are quite remote (this being one) but require no significant energy or time, except what we waste on the internet, to ponder.
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if someone was breaking in an inner door and not responding to my yells id pop off a few rounds. now if someone was trying to get in my front door id try to get a visual through a window. then if it was a BG id call the police as my rifle is aimed at the door. then if they kick it open ill be ready to pop a few rounds into them
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For those of you who think you'd wait and then have all the time in the world to make your perfect shot -- good luck. Within seconds of the BG finally getting through your door, you're toast. You'll be wishing you didn't wait. Protection (in this case, the door) is valuable... don't waste it on a hope and prayer. |
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I am not sure the Coasties do a lot of door defense, do they?
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