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September 25, 2008, 01:57 PM | #1 |
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Are all guns over 50 years old C&R?
Tamara's last thread got me to thinking (which I don't do a whole lot of). There are guns and rifles on the C&R list that don't qualify from the age perspective, but are there any that you know of that are over 50 and "aren't" on the list?
Also, does the date of manufacture of a gun or rifle (if date shows it was made over 50 years ago) make it C&R worthy? If the same model was made from 1958 to 1968, will the older ones be C&R and the newer ones not? |
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Firearms automatically attain curio or relic (C&R) status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF’s C&R list. However, if your C&R item is regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) and you desire removal from the provisions of the NFA, you must submit the firearm to the Firearms Technology Branch for evaluation and a formal classification.http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm
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Wuchak is correct, but you need to be aware of 2 caveats.
1) Not all dealers are knowledgeable enough about the characteristics of particular older guns to know for certain which ones are 50 years old. Don't assume that a dealer across the country will agree with you about the "well known fact" that a Model "X" that's over 50 years old has a certain rear sight configuration, serial number prefix, or whatever. Due to the amount of heat the ATF will put on them for screwing up, some dealers will err on the side of caution and refuse to ship to a C&R FFL unless the gun appears in the C&R book verbatim. 2) Note the underlined sentence: Quote:
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Very true!!!!!
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September 30, 2008, 08:24 PM | #5 |
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50 years plus?
Is a 50 year old model tht is still in production exempt? Perhaps there are no such models though?
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There are quite a few guns that fit this description. A few notable examples are the Colt Single Action Army (1873), Colt Model 1911 (1911, duh), S&W .38 Military & Police aka Model 10 (1899), S&W Chief's Special aka Model 36 (1955), S&W .44 Hand Ejector (1908), the FN Hi-Power (1935), and Marlin Model 1891 aka 39A (1891). Most of these have undergone various design changes over the years but still remain similar to the initial design and are still made by the same manufacturer.
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One caveat is firearms can be placed on the C&R list regardless of manufacture date if they can be shown to have a certain degree of rarity or collectibility - it's up to the BATFE. |
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jsmaye is right. In addition to the 50yr rule there is a huge list of other guns less than 50 years old that qualify. If the manufacturer went under, the model was discontinued, or something else happened to make them either a curiosity or a relic. If you follow the link in my first post in this thread you can download the list and the updates to it.
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So in about 10 years vietnam era M16s will become C&R?
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October 1, 2008, 05:25 PM | #10 |
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There are still some exceptions around and that would be guns over a hundred would not be considered C & R , infact you don't need a FFL to purchase if I remember right, some others should be able to verify the date on that.
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