Identify/fix this old SxS Percussion musket with plugged flash channels - Page 2

mariner3302 · September 24, 2015, 05:16 PM

If the locks were made prior to the late 1800's wouldn't each part have slight variances being made by hand? Here is a picture of both locks side by side. I have never seen a real old fashioned lock as my black powder collection is all replica pistols. This was the first long gun. I certainly learned a big lesson in what to look for. I am kind of wary now, unfortunately...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/byp6jomwaw...52.24.jpg?dl=0

RJay · September 24, 2015, 11:16 PM

To me they appear to have been made on modern machines. They had developed standardization by the late 1800's and Machine made screws were common. however, I don't believe those locks were made on 19th century machine's. Perhaps I'm in error, but it would raise the hackles on the back of my neck.

gyvel · September 25, 2015, 01:54 AM

Is there any chance it is a Khyber Pass type gun?

Dixie Gunsmithing · September 25, 2015, 02:35 AM

Yes, the rifle was made after interchangeable parts came about, or at least some of it was. This was made when they had duplication machines, as you can tell there's not as much filing on the hand made parts of the sideplates.

It makes me wonder if that isn't an older barrel set placed on a newer stock, with newer sideplates, and was never finished, if the nipple holes were never drilled.

mariner3302 · September 25, 2015, 07:05 AM

I wondered the same thing as to whether it could have been an old barrel assembly on a newer stock set. That was the first thought once I got it home but now that I got the breech plugs out I believe it to be a 20th century replica with intentionally antiqued barrels. The breech threads were identical and the breech plug threads the same. It was so crisp and identical that it looked very modern. I sent it back for a refund since the tag on it when I bought it said it was a mid 1800s gun from South Africa. It was a nice piece to be sure and if I wanted a wall hanger it would have been a nice one but I bought a gun, not a replica.. or so I thought. The manager of the store said the seller bought a lot of guns on the internet and at shows, etc so he most likely never knew this wasn't a real gun.

September 24, 2015, 11:16 PM	#27
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	To me they appear to have been made on modern machines. They had developed standardization by the late 1800's and Machine made screws were common. however, I don't believe those locks were made on 19th century machine's. Perhaps I'm in error, but it would raise the hackles on the back of my neck. __________________ Ron James

September 25, 2015, 01:54 AM	#28
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Is there any chance it is a Khyber Pass type gun? __________________ As always, YMMV. __________________________________________ MIIAA SIFE

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September 24, 2015, 05:16 PM	#26
mariner3302 Junior Member Join Date: January 20, 2010 Posts: 14	If the locks were made prior to the late 1800's wouldn't each part have slight variances being made by hand? Here is a picture of both locks side by side. I have never seen a real old fashioned lock as my black powder collection is all replica pistols. This was the first long gun. I certainly learned a big lesson in what to look for. I am kind of wary now, unfortunately... https://www.dropbox.com/s/byp6jomwaw...52.24.jpg?dl=0

September 25, 2015, 02:35 AM	#29
Dixie Gunsmithing Moderator Emeritus Join Date: April 27, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,923	Yes, the rifle was made after interchangeable parts came about, or at least some of it was. This was made when they had duplication machines, as you can tell there's not as much filing on the hand made parts of the sideplates. It makes me wonder if that isn't an older barrel set placed on a newer stock, with newer sideplates, and was never finished, if the nipple holes were never drilled.

September 25, 2015, 07:05 AM	#30
mariner3302 Junior Member Join Date: January 20, 2010 Posts: 14	I wondered the same thing as to whether it could have been an old barrel assembly on a newer stock set. That was the first thought once I got it home but now that I got the breech plugs out I believe it to be a 20th century replica with intentionally antiqued barrels. The breech threads were identical and the breech plug threads the same. It was so crisp and identical that it looked very modern. I sent it back for a refund since the tag on it when I bought it said it was a mid 1800s gun from South Africa. It was a nice piece to be sure and if I wanted a wall hanger it would have been a nice one but I bought a gun, not a replica.. or so I thought. The manager of the store said the seller bought a lot of guns on the internet and at shows, etc so he most likely never knew this wasn't a real gun.