H&R self-loading Pistols (guns of the day)

johnwill · July 23, 2001, 04:28 PM

Here is a matched set... well, kind of a matched set. A .25ACP and .32ACP H&R self-loader

Archie · July 23, 2001, 09:01 PM

If I could collect anything, it would be U. S. made .32 automatics from the early part of the last century.

I have a 1903 Colt Pocket Pistol in .32 ACP. Just like Philip Marlowe......

Others are the Remington, the Savages, maybe even an Infallible.

Oh, well. Good for you.

johnwill · July 23, 2001, 10:00 PM

Archie, I almost hate to admit this, but I have I have the 1903 Colt in .32 ACP, the Remington Model 51, the Savage 1907 & 1917, and the Warner Infallible. The early 1900's mouseguns are a hoot, and there are so many that I'll never get bored collecting them!

James K · July 23, 2001, 10:06 PM

H&R autos with unbroken grips!!!!!! Wow!

Jim

BigG · July 24, 2001, 04:05 AM

I think they're Webley and Scotts with HR's brand on em. Like a Sears refrigerator made by GE.

johnwill · July 24, 2001, 04:29 PM

The .32 H&R is like new, probably 98-99%. They do look a lot like the Webley, though I think most of the Webley semi-autos have an exposed hammer. Perhaps H&R just lifted the design and modified it enough to call it their own.

Harley Nolden · July 29, 2001, 10:29 AM

H&R Automatic Pistol: .32 Cal. which while based on the Webley, had no precise Webley counterpart. it had an internal hammer lock, a bridged open-top-side , and extended slender barrel, and a short grip safety behind the butt. It also used a coil patern recoil spring instead of the Webley V spring. This pistol appeared in 1913, with production continuing until the early 1920's.

The Auto pistol, above photo: Mfg'd from 1910 to 1914 under licence from Webley & Scott (q.v.) though differing in minor respects from the British made prototypes. It was also hammerless using an internal hammer, and the differences in the lockwork of the H&R versoin was probably due to mfging convenience.

HJN

johnwill · July 29, 2001, 01:11 PM

Thanks Harley, I knew they were similar to the Webley, but I didn't know how much they borrowed from them. I have my eye out for a Webley too, would be nice to put it next to the H&R for a contrast.

BigG · July 29, 2001, 02:58 PM

Notice how the 25 has the bbl stub factory set up to take an evil silencer!

johnwill · July 29, 2001, 05:37 PM

Oops, you're right. I forgot to take out the supressor and put it in the picture!

July 23, 2001, 04:28 PM	#1
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	H&R self-loading Pistols (guns of the day) Here is a matched set... well, kind of a matched set. A .25ACP and .32ACP H&R self-loader

July 23, 2001, 09:01 PM	#2
Archie Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2000 Location: Hastings, Nebrasksa - the Hear Posts: 2,209	Very nice. If I could collect anything, it would be U. S. made .32 automatics from the early part of the last century. I have a 1903 Colt Pocket Pistol in .32 ACP. Just like Philip Marlowe...... Others are the Remington, the Savages, maybe even an Infallible. Oh, well. Good for you. __________________ There ain't no free lunch, except Jesus. Archie Check out updated journal at http://oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com/

July 24, 2001, 04:05 AM	#5
BigG Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,334	I think they're Webley and Scotts with HR's brand on em. Like a Sears refrigerator made by GE. __________________ o "The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching." Assyrian tablet, c. 2800 BC o "In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain o "They have gun control in Cuba. They have universal health care in Cuba. So why do they want to come here?" Paul Harvey o TODAY WE CARVE OUT OUR OWN OMENS! Leonidas, Thermopylae, 480 BC

July 29, 2001, 10:29 AM	#7
Harley Nolden Staff In Memoriam Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Brunswick,GA USA Posts: 1,884	H&R Automatic Pistol: .32 Cal. which while based on the Webley, had no precise Webley counterpart. it had an internal hammer lock, a bridged open-top-side , and extended slender barrel, and a short grip safety behind the butt. It also used a coil patern recoil spring instead of the Webley V spring. This pistol appeared in 1913, with production continuing until the early 1920's. The Auto pistol, above photo: Mfg'd from 1910 to 1914 under licence from Webley & Scott (q.v.) though differing in minor respects from the British made prototypes. It was also hammerless using an internal hammer, and the differences in the lockwork of the H&R versoin was probably due to mfging convenience. HJN Last edited by Harley Nolden; July 29, 2001 at 03:27 PM.

July 29, 2001, 02:58 PM	#9
BigG Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,334	Notice how the 25 has the bbl stub factory set up to take an evil silencer! __________________ o "The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching." Assyrian tablet, c. 2800 BC o "In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain o "They have gun control in Cuba. They have universal health care in Cuba. So why do they want to come here?" Paul Harvey o TODAY WE CARVE OUT OUR OWN OMENS! Leonidas, Thermopylae, 480 BC

July 23, 2001, 10:00 PM	#3
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	Archie, I almost hate to admit this, but I have I have the 1903 Colt in .32 ACP, the Remington Model 51, the Savage 1907 & 1917, and the Warner Infallible. The early 1900's mouseguns are a hoot, and there are so many that I'll never get bored collecting them!

July 23, 2001, 10:06 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	H&R autos with unbroken grips!!!!!! Wow! Jim

July 24, 2001, 04:29 PM	#6
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	The .32 H&R is like new, probably 98-99%. They do look a lot like the Webley, though I think most of the Webley semi-autos have an exposed hammer. Perhaps H&R just lifted the design and modified it enough to call it their own.

July 29, 2001, 01:11 PM	#8
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	Thanks Harley, I knew they were similar to the Webley, but I didn't know how much they borrowed from them. I have my eye out for a Webley too, would be nice to put it next to the H&R for a contrast.

July 29, 2001, 05:37 PM	#10
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	Oops, you're right. I forgot to take out the supressor and put it in the picture!