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March 28, 2013, 04:21 AM | #26 |
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I have that same gun! I polished my brass as I didn't like the "flat brass" look.
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March 29, 2013, 02:13 PM | #27 |
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I dearly wish I had not sold that Cattleman I had, since it had been given lots of attention by a good gunsmith and had a great trigger pull and a beautiful dark wood grip. Dang me!
The safety in the hammer is a very nice addition. You can have all the fun of the traditional Colt loading method and yet have the ability to safely carry 6 rounds. What, you say! IIRC the Uberti manual says that it is safe to carry 6, if you just draw the hammer back a short distance after loading. The safety is then engaged and blocks the hammer from moving forward enough to fire the round, as mentioned above. Let me be the first to mention the brass grip frame on the OP's gun. That is not authentic to the real cartridge Colts of the 1800s and it is a sign of this one being the cheap version of the Cattleman. Colts certainly did make cap-n-ball revolvers with brass grip frames. Bart Noir
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In fact, I like the brass so well, my Colt SAA sports a brass backstrap, as does my Ruger Super Blackhawk and Hy Hunter. Bob Wright |
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March 31, 2013, 01:08 AM | #29 |
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I got a Uberti Cattleman in 2004 that had been imported in the 70's by Iver Johnson.
I have shot a steady diet all these years of 1220 fps 250 gr XTP with the 4.75" barrel. This has plenty of safety margin given the chamber walls are at least .059" to the outside and .044" between chambers. But the cylinder rotation is getting loose. Not as bad as a new Ruger Blackhawk, but not as good as when I got it. This year I finally wore out the trigger/bolt spring, and while replacing it, found out that all these years someone had put the wrong screws in. They replaced the unusual 8-32 with scope mount 6-48 screws. The screws and the spring are available. Brownells may charge $4 for a screw, but it beats having to make them. My cattleman shot high, so I welded in the front sight.
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April 1, 2013, 03:13 AM | #30 |
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If the brass on my cattleman was an indicator of it being a cheap gun then by all means they can make it as cheap as they want. I personally think it gives a distinct look of elegance to a solid piece of hardware. Besides I already have a 1911A1 1942 WW2 Army issue Colt .45 so i'm not hard up for an authentic Colt, nor do I expect to ever have the money to afford one.The cattleman is by far my favorite gun I own, matching or even surpassing my Bushmaster .223 carbine. I would have liked to have gotten some idea of its history as far as who owned it and where it's been since being made but I don't think I can get that.
Besides I don't think there is a 'cheap' version of a cattleman. It's either a cattleman or it isn't as far as I know. The 1800 colts were peacemaker/army models IIRC or navy models for the cap and ball. I could be wrong of course, history isn't my strong point. Point is "cattleman" is just what Uberti calls the gun. Uberti makes Colt replicas but I don't think anyone makes Uberti replicas. As for those 'custom' welded sights, well, I personally think you would have been better off taking it to a professional smith to have that done. But of course if you couldn't afford to go that route than each to his own. |
April 1, 2013, 03:21 AM | #31 |
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P.S. Bob that gun in your picture, the third from the left. What kind of grips are those? Polished cherry wood? They're beautiful, I wouldn't mind swapping mine for those but then I also really like what it came with.
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I am trying to understand why I like it so much. I think it is the shootable version of the Colt SAA. The Cattleman revolvers I see at gunshows are ~~$300 The Colt SAA I see at gunshows are ~~$2,000 It is hard to enjoy shooting a gun while concentrating on not scratching it. But my cattleman is killer fun to shoot.
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April 1, 2013, 11:56 PM | #34 |
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Definitely agree Clark. Collectibles are good and all, but like a real good knife or tool, some guns should be used instead of being kept under glass their whole lives. I derive so much more enjoyment from something if I use it regularly and it serves me well. Having a super mint condition, rare and valuable thing would just cause me stress with every small blemish it accumulated.
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April 7, 2013, 01:46 AM | #36 |
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To clarify the old model from the new model
And the bullseye vs. the half moon ejector rod The 1873 began in that year 1873 of course. In about 1899 the change was made to the New model frame (with the push button cylinder pin release). Because the changeover from black powder strength steel to stronger smokeless powder steel happened at almost the same time, about 1899, the old model is sometimes called the blackpowder frame model, and the new model the smokeless frame model. So, if you are looking to replicate an 1800's era gun, then the old model is correct. There were no 'new models' made until just before 1900. The change from the old (bullseye) to new (half moon) ejector rod grip came very early, about 1883. After that there were no more bullseye models made (but some were still sold to use up Colts old parts). This change was made because the bullseye model wore a groove in leather holsters, and the Army complained to Colt. The Bullseye is slightly easier to grip to use, the half moon is easier on holster wear. The bullseye is a replica of 1873 to 1883/1884 only. Uberti's US parts distributer sells bullseye and half moon ejector rods for about $20 and they can be swapped. You can then sell the old one to recoup most of the price of the changeover. To buy that part from Colt for a real Colt would I imagine cost about $100 !!b The swap is very easy, 5 minutes, no skill required... |
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I was trying to decide if I liked the half moon ejector rod over the bulls-eye variation and could't honestly come to a conclusion. I like the aesthetics of the half moon, but the bulls-eye also has its own appeal. Now however, reading your post, I do indeed think that the bulls-eye would probably not work well in the holster I have for the gun. I'd rather avoid the damage to the holster as well as any potential damage to the gun itself over simple aesthetic desire.
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April 8, 2013, 03:39 PM | #38 | |
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I greatly prefer the bullseye ejector. It's easier to manipulate and looks better. I find there to be no downsides and it has never affected holster use. Or damaged one but 10-15,000rds a year out of such guns may not be sufficient case study.
There's nothing collectible about a 3rd generation Colt. If you bought one ten years ago you got hosed because the new guns are better and cost the same. The difference is perception, of both guns and money. Quote:
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