First time pistol and a Glock question

Lurky BoDean · January 23, 2012, 03:49 PM

Hey everyone, I'm new to this forum as y'all can tell. I just turned 21, and I can finally purchase my first, which I've been dreaming up since I was about 16. I'm not really looking into concealed carry, but I'm really wanting a pistol as more or less a plinking gun; however, I am getting my CC license to be on the safe side and for if I change my mind.

Now, I've done research on different semis and revolvers in the last 6 months, and I narrowed it down to Glock, and yes, I've went to shops and held different pistols; however, I can't rent and shoot any in my area. I found a brand new, or a display model that has had less(if that) than a magazine ran through it, Glock G19 Gen 4 with 3 mags instead of 2 (I was informed that's a blue label pistol, which is supposed to be for law enforcement. Any truth to this?). I can get it for $495.05 out the door with taxes and all from a Glock dealer in our town. Is this a good deal, and also, can y'all verify such thing as a blue and red label?

Thanks and God bless,
LB

Nitesites · January 23, 2012, 03:54 PM

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I can get it for $495.05 out the door with taxes and all

As far as new, if new, this is a great deal on a Gen 4. I can't find them locally for less than $550. I don't know anything about "blue" or "red" label Glocks.

hogwiley · January 23, 2012, 04:02 PM

All gen 4 glocks come with 3 mags. Doesnt sound like much of a deal to me, around these parts you can get a brand new gen 4 glock for around 560, and I think thats pretty much the average everywhere. Gen 3 is maybe 30 bucks cheaper.

I generally dont believe it when people say it only had a few mags shot through it, although that isnt really the issue, as even if it had 400 shot it is still pretty much like new. The problem is that you dont know the exact story of this gun. Did someone buy it, have problems or malfunctions with it and the shop bought or traded it back? If so it may be something that could be resolved with a new recoil spring or a quick trip to glock, but why go through the potential trouble just to save yourself 50 bucks?

Fargazer · January 23, 2012, 04:05 PM

"Blue label" refers to packaging for law enforcement. For the third generation Glocks, regular packaging had 2 magazines, while the blue label packages had three.

I recently purchased a Glock 17 Gen4, and my LGS told me that all the fourth generation packages, with the possible exception of the subcompacts, have 3 magazines - both regular and blue label.

Red label I've never heard of, but this thread at Glock Talk might help.

I would suggest looking at the Glock Sport Shooting Foundation:

It's relatively inexpensive,
it gives you some shooting events to participate in that accommodate beginners well,
and after a year's membership you get a coupon giving you a significant discount on a blue label Glock firearm package.
- Once you've been in a year, they send you a coupon every year - you can purchase a Glock on the discount program once every calendar year

Lurky BoDean · January 23, 2012, 04:08 PM

From what I was told, they take these guns to police convention things (I can't remember exactly what he called them), and most of them are displayed only and not fired. It had no sign of wear anywhere on the pistol, and it still had the copper colored lube, which I was told thats the factory lube. We couldn't smell gun powder either on the pistol. The box had everything in it that any new Glock comes with.

C0untZer0 · January 23, 2012, 04:08 PM

You might be getting old extractor/RSA

Glock will fix everything for you, but you may get ponked in the head with ejected brass until the latest parts are in there...

Lurky BoDean · January 23, 2012, 04:10 PM

Thanks for the heads up Fargazer! I'll for sure look into that because this shop only sells new Glocks to LEOs, Military or EMTs.

Nitesites · January 23, 2012, 04:10 PM

*Heads-up...Just bought a Gen 4 G26 sub and mine included 3 mags.

hogwiley · January 23, 2012, 04:42 PM

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Thanks for the heads up Fargazer! I'll for sure look into that because this shop only sells new Glocks to LEOs, Military or EMTs.

Why would they only sell glocks to EMTs as well as police and military? Do EMTs get a glock LE discount? If so I never realized this. Is this a nationwide glock thing or just a gun store discount?

Also, I would check around to other gun stores so see what they are selling a gen 4 glock for. You may find it lower than 550. Ultimately its up to you if 50 bucks is worth getting a NIB pistol, as someone else mentioned Glock has been tinkering around with different components to the gen 4 19s because of extraction issues, so you might not be getting the latest and greatest recoil spring or ejector or whatever.

Lurky BoDean · January 23, 2012, 04:48 PM

Hogwiley, I'm not sure. That's what the dealer told me. He's a firefighter as well, and the discount applies to him too. That's something you could check into.

Muad' Dib · January 23, 2012, 05:06 PM

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All gen 4 glocks come with 3 mags. Doesnt sound like much of a deal to me, around these parts you can get a brand new gen 4 glock for around 560, and I think thats pretty much the average everywhere. Gen 3 is maybe 30 bucks cheaper

You wouldn't qualify saving $65.00 as much of a deal?

I sure would! OP, if the Glock is as you say, and indeed it's tagged at just $495.00, jump on it immediately...

GlockedNLoded32 · January 23, 2012, 05:10 PM

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hogwiley
Thanks for the heads up Fargazer! I'll for sure look into that because this shop only sells new Glocks to LEOs, Military or EMTs.
Why would they only sell glocks to EMTs as well as police and military? Do EMTs get a glock LE discount? If so I never realized this. Is this a nationwide glock thing or just a gun store discount?

Glock Restrictions

farmerboy · January 23, 2012, 05:16 PM

Here in Texas Glock has got their blue label tags, they are also known as the Homeland Security package it's a gen 4, three mags, better recoil spring, changeable back straps , ambidextrous mag release. And they sell for $429.00 new and the Homeland Security are for Leo, prison guards, and coastguards, Firefighters and I believe even volunteer firefighters as well. But still a good deal.

Lurky BoDean · January 23, 2012, 05:26 PM

Muad, I'm with you, and I consider $60+ a good amount of savings.

Glocked, thanks for posting that to help all of our local heroes.

Farmerboy, I was told if I was a LEO or anything that qualifies for the discount that I could pick the package up for $430, but I'm not. So, I should typically be paying right around $550+ for this as I take it and researched.

farmerboy · January 23, 2012, 05:30 PM

I'd grab it! I own a G22 and love it!

Lurky BoDean · January 23, 2012, 05:34 PM

Well, I believe y'all have convinced; however, I'm going to wait to pick it up until Wednesday. I'd rather have my CC permit before leaving because you never know when and if you could get pulled over for something. Another great thing is that they have a few other different models in the same condition, but the 9mm has caught my eye because of the cheaper rounds.

dascottsman · January 23, 2012, 06:44 PM

I would pull the trigger on that price if that is the piece you want to buy anyhow. That is a good price, but don't kick yourself too hard if someone beats you to the punch, you maybe could do as well at a gun show getting some folks to compete against each other on price.....

9mm is always nice, and if you do get another model, such has I have the glock23, you can get a lone wolf conversion barrel for $100 to convert it to 9mm from .40s&w for more range time. Just need the conversion barrel and some glock 19 mags.

farmerboy · January 23, 2012, 07:03 PM

Maybe at a gun show, we have one a year here but everyone marks their prices up and you can't even find a decent priced gun not to mention the extra $10.00 to $15.00 dollar entry price!

TheNocturnus · January 23, 2012, 08:21 PM

Buy it, shoot it, love it! I really enjoy my G22.

TxFlyFish · January 23, 2012, 08:27 PM

Buy a new one and save yourself the hassle of changing RSA and/or extractor which glock JUST recently updated

Mrgunsngear · January 23, 2012, 09:01 PM

I say buy it. The Gen4 G19 with the new ejector and RSA is an awesome gun---back to Glock Perfection! My G30 was my first ever gun and I still have it and still love it. Your G19 will probably yield similar results. Now all you need is a pitcher and glass so you can start drinking the Kool Aid too brother. Drink up; it's delicious!!!!

Lurky BoDean · January 23, 2012, 10:27 PM

So the RSA and extractor that was in the Gen 4s has been updated since?

farmerboy · January 23, 2012, 11:47 PM

you call Glock, give them the serial number and they will tell you if that gun has the updated recoil spring or not. If not they will send you the updated one. Only about one percent of them had issues so they wanted all to have the same kind of springs made by the same producer.

chris in va · January 24, 2012, 08:11 AM

Just keep in mind two things.

Glocks have an abnormal, unnatural grip angle, and being a new shooter you'll need to practice very good trigger discipline as it has no safety or harder DA pull.

Fargazer · January 24, 2012, 08:25 AM

One other nice thing about Glocks - they have vast amounts of 3rd party accessories available. Sights, slides, barrels, magwells, and so on - I'd recommend shooting it stock for a while so you get a baseline, but pretty much you can tweak almost anything.

January 23, 2012, 03:49 PM	#1
Lurky BoDean Member Join Date: January 23, 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 75	First time pistol and a Glock question Hey everyone, I'm new to this forum as y'all can tell. I just turned 21, and I can finally purchase my first, which I've been dreaming up since I was about 16. I'm not really looking into concealed carry, but I'm really wanting a pistol as more or less a plinking gun; however, I am getting my CC license to be on the safe side and for if I change my mind. Now, I've done research on different semis and revolvers in the last 6 months, and I narrowed it down to Glock, and yes, I've went to shops and held different pistols; however, I can't rent and shoot any in my area. I found a brand new, or a display model that has had less(if that) than a magazine ran through it, Glock G19 Gen 4 with 3 mags instead of 2 (I was informed that's a blue label pistol, which is supposed to be for law enforcement. Any truth to this?). I can get it for $495.05 out the door with taxes and all from a Glock dealer in our town. Is this a good deal, and also, can y'all verify such thing as a blue and red label? Thanks and God bless, LB

January 23, 2012, 04:05 PM	#4
Fargazer Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2010 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 466	"Blue label" refers to packaging for law enforcement. For the third generation Glocks, regular packaging had 2 magazines, while the blue label packages had three. I recently purchased a Glock 17 Gen4, and my LGS told me that all the fourth generation packages, with the possible exception of the subcompacts, have 3 magazines - both regular and blue label. Red label I've never heard of, but this thread at Glock Talk might help. I would suggest looking at the Glock Sport Shooting Foundation: It's relatively inexpensive, it gives you some shooting events to participate in that accommodate beginners well, and after a year's membership you get a coupon giving you a significant discount on a blue label Glock firearm package. Once you've been in a year, they send you a coupon every year - you can purchase a Glock on the discount program once every calendar year __________________ NRA Life Member

January 23, 2012, 08:21 PM	#19
TheNocturnus Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,097	Buy it, shoot it, love it! I really enjoy my G22. __________________ My EDC: Gun Wallet Brain (Use this one the most)

January 23, 2012, 09:01 PM	#21
Mrgunsngear Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2011 Location: Carolina Posts: 3,415	I say buy it. The Gen4 G19 with the new ejector and RSA is an awesome gun---back to Glock Perfection! My G30 was my first ever gun and I still have it and still love it. Your G19 will probably yield similar results. Now all you need is a pitcher and glass so you can start drinking the Kool Aid too brother. Drink up; it's delicious!!!! __________________ Mrgunsngear Youtube Channel

January 24, 2012, 08:25 AM	#25
Fargazer Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2010 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 466	One other nice thing about Glocks - they have vast amounts of 3rd party accessories available. Sights, slides, barrels, magwells, and so on - I'd recommend shooting it stock for a while so you get a baseline, but pretty much you can tweak almost anything. __________________ NRA Life Member

January 23, 2012, 04:02 PM	#3
hogwiley Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2011 Posts: 277	All gen 4 glocks come with 3 mags. Doesnt sound like much of a deal to me, around these parts you can get a brand new gen 4 glock for around 560, and I think thats pretty much the average everywhere. Gen 3 is maybe 30 bucks cheaper. I generally dont believe it when people say it only had a few mags shot through it, although that isnt really the issue, as even if it had 400 shot it is still pretty much like new. The problem is that you dont know the exact story of this gun. Did someone buy it, have problems or malfunctions with it and the shop bought or traded it back? If so it may be something that could be resolved with a new recoil spring or a quick trip to glock, but why go through the potential trouble just to save yourself 50 bucks?

January 23, 2012, 04:08 PM	#5
Lurky BoDean Member Join Date: January 23, 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 75	From what I was told, they take these guns to police convention things (I can't remember exactly what he called them), and most of them are displayed only and not fired. It had no sign of wear anywhere on the pistol, and it still had the copper colored lube, which I was told thats the factory lube. We couldn't smell gun powder either on the pistol. The box had everything in it that any new Glock comes with.

January 23, 2012, 04:08 PM	#6
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	You might be getting old extractor/RSA Glock will fix everything for you, but you may get ponked in the head with ejected brass until the latest parts are in there...

January 23, 2012, 04:10 PM	#7
Lurky BoDean Member Join Date: January 23, 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 75	Thanks for the heads up Fargazer! I'll for sure look into that because this shop only sells new Glocks to LEOs, Military or EMTs.

January 23, 2012, 04:10 PM	#8
Nitesites Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2011 Posts: 600	*Heads-up...Just bought a Gen 4 G26 sub and mine included 3 mags.

January 23, 2012, 04:48 PM	#10
Lurky BoDean Member Join Date: January 23, 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 75	Hogwiley, I'm not sure. That's what the dealer told me. He's a firefighter as well, and the discount applies to him too. That's something you could check into.

January 23, 2012, 05:16 PM	#13
farmerboy Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,343	Here in Texas Glock has got their blue label tags, they are also known as the Homeland Security package it's a gen 4, three mags, better recoil spring, changeable back straps , ambidextrous mag release. And they sell for $429.00 new and the Homeland Security are for Leo, prison guards, and coastguards, Firefighters and I believe even volunteer firefighters as well. But still a good deal.

January 23, 2012, 05:26 PM	#14
Lurky BoDean Member Join Date: January 23, 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 75	Muad, I'm with you, and I consider $60+ a good amount of savings. Glocked, thanks for posting that to help all of our local heroes. Farmerboy, I was told if I was a LEO or anything that qualifies for the discount that I could pick the package up for $430, but I'm not. So, I should typically be paying right around $550+ for this as I take it and researched.

January 23, 2012, 05:30 PM	#15
farmerboy Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,343	I'd grab it! I own a G22 and love it!

January 23, 2012, 05:34 PM	#16
Lurky BoDean Member Join Date: January 23, 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 75	Well, I believe y'all have convinced; however, I'm going to wait to pick it up until Wednesday. I'd rather have my CC permit before leaving because you never know when and if you could get pulled over for something. Another great thing is that they have a few other different models in the same condition, but the 9mm has caught my eye because of the cheaper rounds.

January 23, 2012, 06:44 PM	#17
dascottsman Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2011 Location: colorado-a-fornia Posts: 111	I would pull the trigger on that price if that is the piece you want to buy anyhow. That is a good price, but don't kick yourself too hard if someone beats you to the punch, you maybe could do as well at a gun show getting some folks to compete against each other on price..... 9mm is always nice, and if you do get another model, such has I have the glock23, you can get a lone wolf conversion barrel for $100 to convert it to 9mm from .40s&w for more range time. Just need the conversion barrel and some glock 19 mags.

January 23, 2012, 07:03 PM	#18
farmerboy Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,343	Maybe at a gun show, we have one a year here but everyone marks their prices up and you can't even find a decent priced gun not to mention the extra $10.00 to $15.00 dollar entry price!

January 23, 2012, 08:27 PM	#20
TxFlyFish Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2011 Posts: 1,246	Buy a new one and save yourself the hassle of changing RSA and/or extractor which glock JUST recently updated

January 23, 2012, 10:27 PM	#22
Lurky BoDean Member Join Date: January 23, 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 75	So the RSA and extractor that was in the Gen 4s has been updated since?

January 23, 2012, 11:47 PM	#23
farmerboy Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,343	you call Glock, give them the serial number and they will tell you if that gun has the updated recoil spring or not. If not they will send you the updated one. Only about one percent of them had issues so they wanted all to have the same kind of springs made by the same producer.

January 24, 2012, 08:11 AM	#24
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	Just keep in mind two things. Glocks have an abnormal, unnatural grip angle, and being a new shooter you'll need to practice very good trigger discipline as it has no safety or harder DA pull.