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December 30, 2013, 05:37 PM | #1 |
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Savage Enfield or Not ?
Greeting. I am hoping one of you experts can clarify an Issue. Are there any Savage Enfields that do not have the S stamped before the NO4 MKI* ? I have what appears to be a Savage that belongs to my uncle. I have attached pictures of my Uncles and mine for comparison. My uncles doesn't appear to be scrubbed or if so they done a damn fine job.
Any assistance/comments appreciated. If you notice the one with the missing S looks like a sketchy stamp job. Also on the receiver just before the US PROPERTY there appears to be an oval with an arrow inside of it. There is a small 27 stamped on the stock as well just below the pistol grip portion of the stock. Thanks in Advance Tim |
December 30, 2013, 06:58 PM | #2 |
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Just my opinion, but I believe it to be of Savage manufacture. I own a Savage made in 1941 and the S mark is marked by the model number. The fact that this one is marked on the wrist, would indicate that it is of Savage heritage.
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December 30, 2013, 08:43 PM | #3 |
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I agree with Tidewater
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December 30, 2013, 10:00 PM | #4 |
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That serial number is Savage; the C stands for Chicopee (Savage was located at Chicopee Falls, MA).
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December 30, 2013, 10:02 PM | #5 |
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well I can think of two ways to check. is it a true MK1*? the * indicates the slitted bolt face removal rather than springloaded release at the rear. if its in the front then it's a MK1* and either has to be longbranch or savage.
longbranches are so marked so the savage would be the only real option.
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December 31, 2013, 12:56 AM | #6 |
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As Jim K said, it's a Savage. The "C" does, in fact, refer to the location of the Savage plant, Chicopee Falls. The squared "S" is also a Savage marking.
You actual production number is 449,736. |
December 31, 2013, 08:22 AM | #7 |
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Look at the shape of the receiver where the left side wall transitions to the "flat" just at the woodwork junction.
If the transition is a diagonal flat its not a Savage as they had a different profile at that point using a small diameter radius.
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December 31, 2013, 11:51 PM | #8 |
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I think I understand where you are talking about so I compared it to my actual savage and it looks identical. There is a small diameter radius present. The rest of the weapon has the S in various spots. On the right side of the receiver just below the sight there is the smallest import mark I have ever seen. It is 1/4"X3/8" and says
Made is USA Cal 303 Colswan VT Or CDI Swan VT (really hard to tell) Thank you for all your input it is appreciated. While I am at it my Savage does not have a year stamped can you tell by serial#? It is 70C9831 and only has a B stamped below it nothing else. Regards Tim |
January 1, 2014, 02:05 PM | #9 |
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Also he is looking to sell and was wondering what an approx. value would be. It does have a Bushnell Stalker scope with a B Square Mount. I am just looking for a starting point he can go with. I bought mine for $295 a few years back and it is in good shape. His rifle is in just as good shape. Bolt S# matches rifle, Mag has no S# stamped.
I realize there are many variables when it comes to value but I don't want him to get screwed as he is in need of the money. I would buy it but I already bought his Quality Hardware M1 Carbine . I have attached a picture of the rifle and one stamp found on the stock. Thanks in advance. Tim Last edited by Whoddi; January 1, 2014 at 02:20 PM. |
January 1, 2014, 03:21 PM | #10 |
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if that mount is drilled and tapped into place which it looks like it is, then it's a $125 rifle. if it is reversable probably $200 even.
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January 1, 2014, 04:47 PM | #11 |
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B-Square is NDNT so it won't effect value much. If he has the original rear-sight, pivot pin & pivot pin cross pin (so it can be returned 100% to MilSpec, then that would add $50~75 to the asking price.
Savages are not "rare", or "collectable". In fact they were far & away the most common of the No4Mk1*'s made. Savage made more No4 Mk1*'s than all other factories combined. If it had been a No4 Mk1 (no *) then it is rarer as they didn't make that many before switching over. I'd not go a pile of money just because the B-Square is ok, but not great & likewise the Bushnell. I'd guess, not having seen it, or checked anything on it about $350 in today's whacky marketplace.
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January 2, 2014, 06:01 PM | #13 |
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Thank you all for the reply's. Some outstanding information.
No there was no drilling involved, however I do not believe he has the original sight. Tim |
January 3, 2014, 08:31 AM | #14 |
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OK no biggie if you're looking for a scoped shooter, but it might effect value by $25~50 if he doesn't.
Incidentally the B-Square sight allows the use of the original sight's battle sight so it may be in there under the mount & rings.
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So, I have to disagree with your statement; Savages are very collectible and tend to bring more $$ than the multitude of British produced guns. Long Branch guns tend to bring in the second highest $$, at least here in the U.S. |
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January 4, 2014, 12:58 PM | #16 |
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at least for my geographic area I have to agree with gyvel. my brother and I were lucky enough to find a honeyhole of old C&Rs. most were in a big stack of parts. I found myself a complete and numbers matching savage. my brother found a barreled long branch action. he built himself a sporterized model with a ramline stock, basically from scratch and I almost succeeded in doing the same with a T receiver.
i normally see at least 2 enfields in any gun shop I go into and there are at least half to a full dozen at any given gun show I go to. I have yet to lay eyes on another T, Savage, or Longbranch.
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January 4, 2014, 02:26 PM | #17 |
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Maybe its geographical. Round here I'd say the ratio was close to 2 Savages for one of anything else. The vast majority of them having been in South African service as well.
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January 5, 2014, 03:02 AM | #18 |
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I've only ever had one South African gun with the 'U" mark in my collection and that was a Fazakerly gun.
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