Security of Firearms

hangglider · January 31, 2012, 10:06 AM

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Patriot86 · January 31, 2012, 10:24 AM

Stealth is #1 in warfare as it is in hiding your valuables. I would consider building a false room, a false wall in the back of a closet or something like that to conceal the fact you have a safe there. I live in a condo but right now the plan is to basically create a false wall in the corner three feet of a closet and stash my guns back there in a small safe. If they can't see it, they can't steal it.

MTT TL · January 31, 2012, 01:00 PM

I don't normally share my home security strategy on the internet but I have one I am really proud of now. I have undetectable electric shock traps everywhere my guns are. Even touching one without disarming it first will result in immediate incapacitation, sterilization and possibly genitalia falling off.

Nitesites · January 31, 2012, 01:07 PM

Bwahahahaha!

Sparks1957 · January 31, 2012, 04:35 PM

To MTT TL: That is brilliant! I think we would all love to hear how you built and perfected that system

g.willikers · January 31, 2012, 04:44 PM

But you forgot the steel cage door, that drops down from the ceiling, and traps the thief in the room.

Irish B · January 31, 2012, 04:46 PM

I leave all my guns loaded with a string rigged up to the trigger so if anyone tries to grab them theyll get their head blown off! Hows that! Guns that protect themselves! In all seriousness unless you have a collection of automatics or high end african side by sides do you really need THAT much gun security?

markj · January 31, 2012, 04:52 PM

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I don't normally share my home security strategy on the internet but I have one I am really proud of now. I have undetectable electric shock traps everywhere my guns are. Even touching one without disarming it first will result in immediate incapacitation, sterilization and possibly genitalia falling off.

You really need to market these, you will make millions....

MTT TL · January 31, 2012, 09:01 PM

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You really need to market these, you will make millions....

I would but I worry about liability issues....

ltc444 · February 1, 2012, 08:05 PM

Irish B. If you were serious about the strings, I would check your state laws. Your system could meet the Legal definition of a spring gun. Spring guns are generally illegal and could get you in a world of hurt.

One of the neatest nonlethal systems I have ever heard of used by a former AF special operator.

He obtained a surplus air craft photoflash unit. It put out about 10 million candles.

When his storage shed was being broken into on a regular basis, he rigged the unit go off when the door was opened. The unit took about 10 seconds to charge and he had switch to deactivated it when he opened the door.

About 2 weeks after he installed the unit someone broke in and the unit went off. His neighbor. about two doors up, suffered from temporary blindness.

He never had another breakin.

markj · February 3, 2012, 03:34 PM

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I would but I worry about liability issues....

Just place a warning like on ciggs.....

m&p45acp10+1 · February 4, 2012, 09:53 AM

A decent locked storage valut will do the trick if the thief/s are not looking to do that much to get the contents out. Especialy if you do not have the tools afound to break into it.

A family friend that owns several rental properties had a case where the police had the wrong storage building number on a search warrant. They went into his sroarage unit where he had a safe. He also had a lot of his tools in there too. They used his tools to break open the safe, instead of calling a locksmith. Well when it was discoved how they screwed up. They did pay to replace the broken safe. (BTW there was nothing in it.

) It took them 2 and a half hours to get it open.

MTT TL · February 4, 2012, 06:26 PM

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Just place a warning like on ciggs.....

Yeah but I would get sued by every gun shop commando who thought the system was disarmed. The same guy who insists that guns are never loaded.

Mainah · February 12, 2012, 01:29 PM

One of my worst fears is walking into my house and looking down the barrel of my hd shotgun in the hands of an intruder. I put a lot of time and effort into designing and building a hidden compartment within a wall. I was really proud of my work.

Then I spoke with a friend who has decades of LEO experience and proudly described my project. He said; "that'll work great if a couple of kids break in, but a pro is going to have a stud finder and he'll find that right away."

Now I'm looking for a safe.

Nitesites · February 12, 2012, 01:41 PM

I'm still partial to MTT TL's idea...

Mainah · February 12, 2012, 01:46 PM

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I'm still partial to MTT TL's idea...

Well that's obvious. The only improvements that I'd suggest would be that the criminals credit record would be ruined and that I could also use his method on people who tailgate.

federali · February 13, 2012, 09:28 AM

I know many of you are joking but it's worth knowing that any form of trap which inflicts injury or imprisons the intruder will result in a civil suit against you and maybe even criminal charges. Bottom line: intruder now owns your residence.

A few things: get a good safe and keep it out of view. conceal it if you can and if it weighs less than 400 pounds or so, it should be anchored to a concrete floor. If there's excess room, add a few hundred pounds of lead ingots to it. Put safe where necessary strangers like oil burner repairmen, roto-rooter guys, the cable guy, the plumber etc, will not likely encounter it.
Add a professional security system to your residence.
Learn and follow all the advice offered to make your residence less tempting to random burglars. If you have a workshop, move all tools that could be used to attack the safe into the garage or a locked tool shed.
Add a decoy safe. Not quite as well hidden as your real safe, the objective is to cause intruders to waste precious time trying to open or make off with the decoy.

Where possible, never store valuables, guns safes in master bedroom. A $99.00 Home Depot Sentry wall safe bolted to studs in a closet would make an ideal decoy safe. If you don't have a basement, intruders often completely overlook children's rooms, hitting the master bedroom first. If they "find" something, they may not look any further.

hangglider · February 13, 2012, 09:46 AM

Great advice federali which I have pretty much followed with one exception--if the safe isn't in the master bed where I am--that means it's less likely to be accessible to me in an emergency?

hangglider · February 13, 2012, 12:12 PM

How ironic--my Barska biometric safe which I've owned for all of 2 weeks and worked fine until this morning no longer works. It successfully scans and recognizes the print--but won't unlock. Looks like this will become my $300.00 decoy safe.

Nitesites · February 13, 2012, 12:57 PM

Ouch! That's one big, expensive paperweight! I've read enough good and bad about those biometrics that I've concluded they are too much of a hit-or-miss for me to purchase and rely on.

hangglider · February 13, 2012, 01:34 PM

Yup--you would think after all the cheap crappy optics that are made in China that I've wasted my money on I would have learned my lesson by now (the safe is China made too). I'm thinking maybe fill the safe with all the cheap optics and leave the back door unlocked one day--might get some insurance money back for expensive junk.

The other day a Sharp carousel microwave I had turned itself on without my pushing any buttons and proceeded to melt itself down--it was only because I was home at the time the house didn't possibly burn down. It too is made in China.

FAS1 · February 13, 2012, 07:36 PM

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I would but I worry about liability issues....

That's what liability insurance is for. How much different is it than a taser?

MTT TL · February 13, 2012, 07:41 PM

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How ironic--my Barska biometric safe which I've owned for all of 2 weeks and worked fine until this morning no longer works. It successfully scans and recognizes the print--but won't unlock. Looks like this will become my $300.00 decoy safe.

I would send it back if I could. There is a lesson here about Barska products. They are really cheap, but cheap is not often better.

January 31, 2012, 01:00 PM	#3
MTT TL Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2009 Location: Quadling Country Posts: 2,780	I don't normally share my home security strategy on the internet but I have one I am really proud of now. I have undetectable electric shock traps everywhere my guns are. Even touching one without disarming it first will result in immediate incapacitation, sterilization and possibly genitalia falling off. __________________ Thus a man should endeavor to reach this high place of courage with all his heart, and, so trying, never be backward in war.

January 31, 2012, 01:07 PM	#4
Nitesites Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2011 Posts: 600	Bwahahahaha! __________________ On Yellow

January 31, 2012, 04:44 PM	#6
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	But you forgot the steel cage door, that drops down from the ceiling, and traps the thief in the room. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

January 31, 2012, 04:46 PM	#7
Irish B Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 359	I leave all my guns loaded with a string rigged up to the trigger so if anyone tries to grab them theyll get their head blown off! Hows that! Guns that protect themselves! In all seriousness unless you have a collection of automatics or high end african side by sides do you really need THAT much gun security? __________________ If a man hasn't found something worth dying for, he isn't fit to live

February 4, 2012, 09:53 AM	#12
m&p45acp10+1 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 3,930	A decent locked storage valut will do the trick if the thief/s are not looking to do that much to get the contents out. Especialy if you do not have the tools afound to break into it. A family friend that owns several rental properties had a case where the police had the wrong storage building number on a search warrant. They went into his sroarage unit where he had a safe. He also had a lot of his tools in there too. They used his tools to break open the safe, instead of calling a locksmith. Well when it was discoved how they screwed up. They did pay to replace the broken safe. (BTW there was nothing in it.) It took them 2 and a half hours to get it open. __________________ No matter how many times you do it and nothing happens it only takes something going wrong one time to kill you.

January 31, 2012, 10:06 AM	#1
hangglider Junior member Join Date: December 24, 2011 Posts: 212	Security of Firearms NA Last edited by hangglider; January 31, 2012 at 09:19 PM. Reason: not serious

January 31, 2012, 10:24 AM	#2
Patriot86 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2010 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,293	Stealth is #1 in warfare as it is in hiding your valuables. I would consider building a false room, a false wall in the back of a closet or something like that to conceal the fact you have a safe there. I live in a condo but right now the plan is to basically create a false wall in the corner three feet of a closet and stash my guns back there in a small safe. If they can't see it, they can't steal it.

January 31, 2012, 04:35 PM	#5
Sparks1957 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2011 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,552	To MTT TL: That is brilliant! I think we would all love to hear how you built and perfected that system

February 1, 2012, 08:05 PM	#10
ltc444 Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2011 Location: Vernon AZ Posts: 1,195	Irish B. If you were serious about the strings, I would check your state laws. Your system could meet the Legal definition of a spring gun. Spring guns are generally illegal and could get you in a world of hurt. One of the neatest nonlethal systems I have ever heard of used by a former AF special operator. He obtained a surplus air craft photoflash unit. It put out about 10 million candles. When his storage shed was being broken into on a regular basis, he rigged the unit go off when the door was opened. The unit took about 10 seconds to charge and he had switch to deactivated it when he opened the door. About 2 weeks after he installed the unit someone broke in and the unit went off. His neighbor. about two doors up, suffered from temporary blindness. He never had another breakin.

February 12, 2012, 01:29 PM	#14
Mainah Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2007 Posts: 1,119	One of my worst fears is walking into my house and looking down the barrel of my hd shotgun in the hands of an intruder. I put a lot of time and effort into designing and building a hidden compartment within a wall. I was really proud of my work. Then I spoke with a friend who has decades of LEO experience and proudly described my project. He said; "that'll work great if a couple of kids break in, but a pro is going to have a stud finder and he'll find that right away." Now I'm looking for a safe.

February 12, 2012, 01:41 PM	#15
Nitesites Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2011 Posts: 600	I'm still partial to MTT TL's idea... __________________ On Yellow

February 13, 2012, 09:28 AM	#17
federali Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2011 Location: Nassau County NY Posts: 378	Is it Practical? I know many of you are joking but it's worth knowing that any form of trap which inflicts injury or imprisons the intruder will result in a civil suit against you and maybe even criminal charges. Bottom line: intruder now owns your residence. A few things: get a good safe and keep it out of view. conceal it if you can and if it weighs less than 400 pounds or so, it should be anchored to a concrete floor. If there's excess room, add a few hundred pounds of lead ingots to it. Put safe where necessary strangers like oil burner repairmen, roto-rooter guys, the cable guy, the plumber etc, will not likely encounter it. Add a professional security system to your residence. Learn and follow all the advice offered to make your residence less tempting to random burglars. If you have a workshop, move all tools that could be used to attack the safe into the garage or a locked tool shed. Add a decoy safe. Not quite as well hidden as your real safe, the objective is to cause intruders to waste precious time trying to open or make off with the decoy. Where possible, never store valuables, guns safes in master bedroom. A $99.00 Home Depot Sentry wall safe bolted to studs in a closet would make an ideal decoy safe. If you don't have a basement, intruders often completely overlook children's rooms, hitting the master bedroom first. If they "find" something, they may not look any further. __________________ Int'l Assoc. of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors

February 13, 2012, 09:46 AM	#18
hangglider Junior member Join Date: December 24, 2011 Posts: 212	Great advice federali which I have pretty much followed with one exception--if the safe isn't in the master bed where I am--that means it's less likely to be accessible to me in an emergency?

February 13, 2012, 12:12 PM	#19
hangglider Junior member Join Date: December 24, 2011 Posts: 212	How ironic--my Barska biometric safe which I've owned for all of 2 weeks and worked fine until this morning no longer works. It successfully scans and recognizes the print--but won't unlock. Looks like this will become my $300.00 decoy safe.

February 13, 2012, 12:57 PM	#20
Nitesites Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2011 Posts: 600	Ouch! That's one big, expensive paperweight! I've read enough good and bad about those biometrics that I've concluded they are too much of a hit-or-miss for me to purchase and rely on. __________________ On Yellow

February 13, 2012, 01:34 PM	#21
hangglider Junior member Join Date: December 24, 2011 Posts: 212	Yup--you would think after all the cheap crappy optics that are made in China that I've wasted my money on I would have learned my lesson by now (the safe is China made too). I'm thinking maybe fill the safe with all the cheap optics and leave the back door unlocked one day--might get some insurance money back for expensive junk. The other day a Sharp carousel microwave I had turned itself on without my pushing any buttons and proceeded to melt itself down--it was only because I was home at the time the house didn't possibly burn down. It too is made in China.