April 7, 2011, 08:03 AM | #26 |
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I rolled my duty vehicle once. Took the wind right out of my sail!! The seatbelt saved my life, no doubt!! Airbag deployed, but I was so braced for the impact the ab never touched me.
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so glad that people see this the same way as I do. I have seen it so many times and I was wondering what is this? Where did it come from? Nobody does this. Only thing I can see is if you accidentally fall it would be nice to know how to fall properly so that you can get back to your feet as fast as possible. Like I said before...in my Brazillian Jiu Jitsu class, the only reason we do it is so you can train your agility and how to land from a moving position.
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Combat Rolls are rarely fun... You have way too much gear on, pre-camel back the canteens would dig your back really nicely.. If your stuff not attached right things go missing and its overall better avoided...
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Think about it. How many folks have trained for the off chase of getting hit in the leg to then go immediately into a combat roll? Quote:
It is really hard to read too much into the incident. It isn't a normal bullet avoidance technique you see being practiced/utilized with any frequency when soldiers come under fire. I, for one, have never seen it used in any of the documentation from any of the conflicts. If it was such a good technique, then I think we would be seeing it used regularly, but as BGutzman pointed out, there are so many things that can make them turn out poorly. Maybe combat rolls work. Maybe pink boxers and flipflops are the ultimate combat uniform. http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/0...boxers_052209/ Quote:
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I thought at first you were talking about the roll. Nutnfancy says it's usless.
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It may be cool under controlled circumstances but very likely would be mostly useless against someone shooting at you who is a decent shot. By the time you are up on your feet and firing, you would probably have several bullets in your body. I would like to see someone do this during a Simunition exercise against a capable opponent. As for the guys being less than safe in what they were doing, they added insult to injury because I did not hear anyone correct the guy who turned on the camera gun still drawn. He may have thought he was cool, I think he is an accident waiting to happen as I think about the whole maneuver they were practicing. I will admit, it possibly could save your life if it startled your opponent enough (then again so could doing jumping jacks or dropping your pants) but mostly it seems to be potentially too dangerous to others than your targetted bad guy so I will pass it up. Besides, I am fat and old and wiser and not about to do things like that even though in my dumber youth I may have tried it. All the best, Glenn B
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The consensus seems to be that "combat rolls" are mostly movie fiction. Seems about right to me...
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A combat roll is the wartime version of a dinner roll...
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Put it this way:
I'd rather be shooting AT the guy rolling, than BE the guy rolling. I don't care how many movie stunts claim different. |
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Sure hope a skeet shooter isn't shoot'en at them.
Here is a test guys. Get a worn out basket ball and a stick with a long string tied to it. Go to some outdoor range were a berm will allow you to set that ball up high and use the stick to prop it up. Go back 10 yards and try to hit that ball as it rolls down the hill. Easy? Actually yea it is. And I'd love to ask those 'commados' in that youtube movie if they have ever actually used that ninja roll in combat. Deaf
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I always thought of combat roles as something a martial arts training move that Hollywood adopted to demonstrate a character's training and experience. Over time, viewers adopted it for themselves.
It is a similar phenomenon to Hollywood dictating firearms be held so that they are seen on the screen/TV, and viewers adopting those holds, whether consciously or unconsciously.
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I might see where if you were running and you realized you were about to trip and fall then a roll to bring yourself back up and stable as fast as you can would have its place. But if anyone here thinks you are dodging a bullet and messing the aim up of a shooter then you are kidding yourself. Deaf
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I think combat rolls are great.
They brighten up my day with a good laugh when you see someone do one. They're only good for when you have all your gear on trying to get out the back of a 7 ton and you fall. That too will bring a good laugh. Equally useless is the 'combat slide' and 'combat dive.' It was always fun watching the new guys run as fast as they could, then dive and slide to their position while training them on movement to or from contact. I'm sure many of you have heard it but slow is smooth and smooth is fast, right?!
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Speaking of the 'combat dive', I am sure most of you here when you were much younger did what was called a 'belly buster' dive at the pool.
Remember how it felt hitting the water? Guess how it feels hitting the cement floor! Deaf
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Speaking from an Infantryman's prospective, no, there is no such thing as a combat roll. When your wearing 110 pounds of gear rolling really isn't an option. Even if you weren't wearing that much gear, I see no tactical need to roll anywhere, the exception being from a rooftop or something.
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Oh yeah, and, they way I learned it was, fast is slow, slow is smooth, smooth is silk, and silk is panties!
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I combat rolled exactly once while in the big Sandbox.
I fell of the back of a five ton while climbing up into it and had the prescence of mind to tuck and roll before I hit the pavement.
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Stonewall50,
The "combat roll" is really good for one thing only. It helps keep the mortician solvent. ANYTHING that keeps you from firing a weapon when you need it, is referred to as a "Widow Maker". ANYTHING that increases you chances to put a bullet where it needs to go is called Friend. The analogy I used when I was Instructing firearm use was: You are just like a fighter pilot with a parachute. You wear it every day when you go to work. You hope and pray that you will never have to use it. On the chance that you will, you go to school to learn the proper way to use that tool. For if the time ever comes that you must use it, it is the only tool you have that may let you go home that night. You owe it to your wife and children that you are proficient in the use of that tool.
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Well said big bob, I might have to steal that analog from you, if thats ok!
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