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Old April 7, 2011, 07:28 AM   #1
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Training to fire from a moving vehicle

I noticed the other day that someone had started a thread about firing a gun from a motorcycle. It has since been removed, and I believe it was meant as a joke, but has anyone seriously tried firing a handgun from a moving vehicle? Not while driving, obviously, but while a passenger. It's no easy task. Do any of the pros out there have any suggestions as to techniques? I know this is a skill I will probably never need, but it's still a lot of fun to try when my buddies and I go shooting out in the country. So far we have tried from an ATV and my truck, but haven't been very accurate.
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Old April 7, 2011, 08:38 AM   #2
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Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting by Ed McGivern has a section on shooting from running boards I found interesting.

Then there is a Cowboy Action shooting event -Mounted Action Shooting or shooting from horses (my wife and grandaughter are into this).

A few years ago Zak Smith put on a Multi Gun match at Gurnesy WY where we shoot from a HUMV, that was fun.

In my younger years I use to shoot jackrabits on a dirt bike.

Fun yes, practical for SD no.

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Old April 7, 2011, 08:47 AM   #3
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Aside from military convoy training...

... and some bodyguard type training schools, I don't know of anybody who teaches this, and can't think of anybody who should devote much time to practicing it.
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Old April 7, 2011, 08:56 AM   #4
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can't think of anybody who should devote much time to practicing it.
Because its fun, not all shooting and training is for self defense, a whole lot of people (my self included) shoot for fun and pleasure. In fact that is my primary reason for owning guns.

It's a sport like gulf (yuk), bowling, tennis, etc etc.
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Old April 7, 2011, 09:01 AM   #5
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Then there is a Cowboy Action shooting event -Mounted Action Shooting or shooting from horses
I wish I had the video of my horse making a instant left turn when I touched off my pistol next to her head. I, on the other hand, continued forward for another fifteen to twenty feet.

Those Rugers will work even when packed with arena sand.

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I guess this doesn't qualify as the OP's "moving vehicle".
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Old April 7, 2011, 09:37 AM   #6
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Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch said it best "Shoot, or drive...not both".

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Old April 7, 2011, 09:51 AM   #7
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Maybe Clint Smith likes different shooting games then I do. Not all shooting sports is about self defense.

Sporter Rim fire matches are big around here, but not a good training venue for self defense, same with CMP GSM Vintage Military Rifle Games.

Different strokes.

Along the same lines, I think a golf course is a waste of a good rifle range.
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Old April 7, 2011, 10:52 AM   #8
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kraigwy...

... I understand the concept of shooting for fun. Let me qualify my previous statement:

Courses that teach shooting from vehicles tend to have a lot of risk assessment done during course design. Steps are taken to ensure safe backstops; minimize chances of injury to others in the vehicle; compensate for driver distraction; etc. Just figure the potential for ejected brass to hit the driver in the face, if the shooter is in the passenger compartment, for example.

So, the thought of Bubba and Billy Bob just winging it on a random back road and saying, "Hey y'all, check this out!" is just a bit worrisome.
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Old April 7, 2011, 02:20 PM   #9
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Here's some fun, shooting from the back of a truck:
Their hits go up when the truck stops moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKtEawcrmY
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Old April 13, 2011, 04:26 PM   #10
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You need to take the next step:

I recall seeing an ad (perhaps in Small Arms Review) for a chance to shoot from a chopper! No, not a Harley, I think they used a Jetstar. Just think, there you are, 150 feet above the ground at 100 Knots, trying to hit a target!

Yeeee Haw!
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Old April 13, 2011, 04:42 PM   #11
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Didn't they do that on top sniper?
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Old April 13, 2011, 06:28 PM   #12
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... and some bodyguard type training schools, I don't know of anybody who teaches this, and can't think of anybody who should devote much time to practicing it.

Not sure if this is how you quote, but anyway. I do know a company that teaches this, among other things. When they do their stuff here they use paintball guns, not real weapons. I have watched them do this, looks fun but it is dangerous, they are hanging out of the windows in moving, and manuvering vehicles.
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Old April 13, 2011, 07:57 PM   #13
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It is illegal to shoot from a vehicle in Az. moving or not.
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Old April 13, 2011, 08:24 PM   #14
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A friend of mine a good while back had been in the military. He described an exercise they did shooting a machine gun that was mounted in a jeep. He said that even with tracers it was incredibly difficult to hit anything while the jeep (not Humvee) was moving.

I don't know if having the gun mounted to the vehicle helps or hurts, but it sounded like fun anyway.
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I don't know if having the gun mounted to the vehicle helps or hurts,
I've done both, MGs and rifles, its easier with a rifle, you can roll with the movement. You're right it is fun.

Out side of SE Asia I've done firing from a helichopter in the Guard. I always volenteered to be the range officer. They fired '60s over the mud flats and brass was considered un-recoverable. I'd hang out on the skids with a ruck sack catching brass. My marksmanship unit was always short of turn in brass, I cleared a lot of it that way.

But its true, out side of the military there is no practical use of shooting from a vehcile but it is a heck of a lot of fun.
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Old April 13, 2011, 09:18 PM   #16
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Kraig hit it on the head. I'm not doing it out of any practical need. Its just a whole lot of fun.
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Old April 13, 2011, 09:54 PM   #17
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You no what worries me; are classless statements like "bubba and billybob" I am bubba; I am billybob and I am damn offened by your thoughtless comment!

As for shooting from the bk off a pick up; sounds like fun. Shooting from the passenger seat of a car; sounds like danger.
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Old April 13, 2011, 10:13 PM   #19
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I don't trust the police and they are dangerous; they would be useless if they weren't, but I do respect them. I respect the courage and commitment it takes to accept such a responsibility. It seems you have little respect for "bubba and billybob" Too bad, my buddy named Bubba is a really interesting fella, a medic who spends much of his time reading military history books; he doesn't own a gun and drives a toyota passenger car. Don't know any Billybob's though.
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Old April 13, 2011, 10:29 PM   #20
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Not too long ago, shooting while riding horseback was a basic skill for many in the military.

Then in the 1920s, shooting from the running board with bangers, Tommys, and shorts became quite popular, especially in Chicago.

Since then, all I can think of are some hoodlums with AKs or Mac-10s in various 80s GM vehicles.
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Old April 13, 2011, 10:38 PM   #21
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didn't they used to have gunners on war planes train first by shooting skeet, then by firing from the bk of some type of truck while in a turret?
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Old April 14, 2011, 02:07 AM   #22
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I recommend getting your stationary skills down pat and then a lot of practice
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Jeremiah/AZ, a minor correction to your comment:
In AZ it is illegal to hunt from a vehicle. You may target shoot from a vehicle, moving or not.

It's a common error, just like the prohibition against hunting within 1/4 of a occupied dwelling. It is perfectly legal in AZ to shoot (with the residents' consent) within that distance.
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Old April 14, 2011, 02:17 PM   #24
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How would shooting from a moving vehicle fall under self defense?

You are moving, hopefully away from the threat.

I heard a guy tell another about shooting a running deer from the back of a truck while driving thru a field. I didnt belive him but to even think of this....
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I wish I had the video of my horse making a instant left turn when I touched off my pistol next to her head. I, on the other hand, continued forward for another fifteen to twenty feet.

Those Rugers will work even when packed with arena sand.
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