Does this not make you sick to your stomach...

PsychoSword · October 14, 2004, 05:33 PM

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...egory_Code=M31

CUT TO B.A.T.F. SPECIFICATIONS

User Name · October 14, 2004, 06:36 PM

Sounds like a fine instrument...what a waste!

CQBArms · October 15, 2004, 12:33 AM

Not at all...how is one to get parts? As well none of those that are cut are transferable anyway...so it's not like the average joe can buy one.

I'm glad people are importing parts kits, reimporting lend/lease kits etc.
It's the only way people can keep their transferables running.
What kills me is when someone chops of a post sample of a gun that's hard to get...that kills me....

CzarShel · October 16, 2004, 11:17 AM

I'd hate to have to be the guy that sits around and cuts up all those nice peices of history all day, I dont think I could sit in front of a small mountain of oh say WW2 MG-42's and weld away all day.

Solidsheep · October 16, 2004, 12:56 PM

I can't see this !!!!

**4V50 Gary** · October 16, 2004, 02:01 PM

Don't click on the link. Your eyes will tear up.

Brick · October 17, 2004, 04:06 AM

Ass

Quote:

I'd hate to have to be the guy that sits around and cuts up all those nice peices of history all day, I dont think I could sit in front of a small mountain of oh say WW2 MG-42's and weld away all day.

seriously. now what is the gun worth? tsk, nothing.

Edit: To the n00b who did that, if I catch him, I will force him to repeal ALL firearms acts in the USA, and make him carry a sign like this:

And when he becomes

I will

him.

CQBArms · October 17, 2004, 08:54 PM

Exactly what do you think a non transferable machine gun is worth in the US?

None of the guns you see cut up are legal for sale in the US. If they are for sale someplace else...then they are being sold there and these are really not impacting anyone being cut up.

If these guns were not cut up and resold as parts kits, they would sit in a heap outside someplace until such time as they were dust.

At least as a parts kit they can be used to breathe life into an exisiting transferable machine gun in need of parts.

What's that kit worth? With the mag about $50.

Hal · October 23, 2004, 04:16 AM

CQBArms ,
You're missing the finer point.

The founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment and added the words "shall not be infringed", to insure that the .gov would never have an arms advantage over it citizens.

The incredible arrogance of those bastards (B.A.T.F.E) and their specifications is the point, not the actual parts value of the gun.

A fitting backdrop for that picture, with it's cut to pieces gun would be a [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] stained copy of the Bill of Rights, showing how .gov wipes it's a$$ with our "rights".

PsychoSword · October 24, 2004, 04:16 PM

The thing that makes me most sad is the destruction of these historical artifacts that cannot be replaced. That was the whole point of my post. Also the huge waste in money it is to just destroy things like this that governments pay millions of dollars for with your tax money.

CQBArms · October 24, 2004, 07:57 PM

I'm not missing the point. Those guns are cut in another country and shipped here. They don't have to cut them and sell them in the US if they wanted to preserve the "historical" value of a POS gun.

That other country does not have the 2nd amendment...so when you talk about the 2nd amendment, the country doing the cutting has to have one in order for it to be relevent.

The guns that are protected under the 2nd get more life by having parts availible.

Byron Quick · November 6, 2004, 08:34 PM

Quote:

That other country does not have the 2nd amendment...so when you talk about the 2nd amendment, the country doing the cutting has to have one in order for it to be relevent.

Well, seeing as how the Constitution and the Bill of Rights does not grant rights but only enumerates the rights of humantity...an argument could be made that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right of all humans everywhere.

Personally, I don't receive my right to arms from the Second Amendment. My right to arms is derived from my right to life. An inalienable right. Since I have a right to life; it logically follows that I have a right to defend that right. Since I have a right of self defense then it logically follows that I have the right to own the tools to effectively use that right, i.e. weapons.

Care to dispute this? Now I will stipulate that many other governments have the power to suppress this right. And that they have done so. However, the concept that individuals in other countries do not possess this right...BS. The right to bear arms is the right to be free. All humans possess this right.

NFACurious · December 29, 2004, 03:06 AM

Real problem is, the person doing the cutting is probably just happy hes making some money and has no consideration to what hes doing.

Lonestar.45 · January 12, 2005, 01:18 PM

Well, what's the alternative, sending barge loads of weapons off shore and sinking them into the Atlantic? That's what would probably happen if they weren't cut up and sold here for parts. That's the fate of many many tons of weapons after they are captured or rendered "obsolete" by new technology.

Lowjack · February 14, 2005, 03:21 AM

I've always been under the impression that alot of kits like that one sold for parts are most intreging to the criminal element in which case a new reciever and the balls to actually take it anywhere to shoot it are their problem and if they find it worth the price of getting popped......****'em!
50$ + ?? us bucks aint much for a meth dealer looking to extend his stay with bubba for possession of an unregistered MG as well as possession of methamphetamine with intent to distribute.

I think it's funny that some people wont/dont see the beauty in applying for and paying the $200 tax to the BATF and doing it legit.

October 14, 2004, 05:33 PM	#1
PsychoSword Junior member Join Date: August 11, 2002 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,486	Does this not make you sick to your stomach... http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...egory_Code=M31 CUT TO B.A.T.F. SPECIFICATIONS

October 14, 2004, 06:36 PM	#2
User Name Senior Member Join Date: September 20, 2004 Location: Woodstock , Ga. Posts: 152	Sounds like a fine instrument...what a waste! __________________ - Veritas - Aequitas - "Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins. This was actually done by Great Britain at the commencement of the late revolution." Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts - 1789 GUN CONTROL....IT'S NOT A NEW IDEA......JUST A BAD ONE!

October 15, 2004, 12:33 AM	#3
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	No it's a "good thing" Not at all...how is one to get parts? As well none of those that are cut are transferable anyway...so it's not like the average joe can buy one. I'm glad people are importing parts kits, reimporting lend/lease kits etc. It's the only way people can keep their transferables running. What kills me is when someone chops of a post sample of a gun that's hard to get...that kills me.... __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

October 16, 2004, 12:56 PM	#5
Solidsheep Member Join Date: August 24, 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 69	I can't see this !!!! __________________ "Mess With The Best, Die Like The Rest"

October 16, 2004, 02:01 PM	#6
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,831	Don't click on the link. Your eyes will tear up. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

October 16, 2004, 11:17 AM	#4
CzarShel Member Join Date: October 14, 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 44	I'd hate to have to be the guy that sits around and cuts up all those nice peices of history all day, I dont think I could sit in front of a small mountain of oh say WW2 MG-42's and weld away all day.

October 17, 2004, 08:54 PM	#8
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	Exactly what do you think a non transferable machine gun is worth in the US? None of the guns you see cut up are legal for sale in the US. If they are for sale someplace else...then they are being sold there and these are really not impacting anyone being cut up. If these guns were not cut up and resold as parts kits, they would sit in a heap outside someplace until such time as they were dust. At least as a parts kit they can be used to breathe life into an exisiting transferable machine gun in need of parts. What's that kit worth? With the mag about $50. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

October 23, 2004, 04:16 AM	#9
Hal Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 1998 Location: Ohio USA Posts: 8,563	CQBArms , You're missing the finer point. The founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment and added the words "shall not be infringed", to insure that the .gov would never have an arms advantage over it citizens. The incredible arrogance of those bastards (B.A.T.F.E) and their specifications is the point, not the actual parts value of the gun. A fitting backdrop for that picture, with it's cut to pieces gun would be a [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] stained copy of the Bill of Rights, showing how .gov wipes it's a$$ with our "rights".

October 24, 2004, 04:16 PM	#10
PsychoSword Junior member Join Date: August 11, 2002 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,486	The thing that makes me most sad is the destruction of these historical artifacts that cannot be replaced. That was the whole point of my post. Also the huge waste in money it is to just destroy things like this that governments pay millions of dollars for with your tax money.

October 24, 2004, 07:57 PM	#11
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	I'm not missing the point. Those guns are cut in another country and shipped here. They don't have to cut them and sell them in the US if they wanted to preserve the "historical" value of a POS gun. That other country does not have the 2nd amendment...so when you talk about the 2nd amendment, the country doing the cutting has to have one in order for it to be relevent. The guns that are protected under the 2nd get more life by having parts availible. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

December 29, 2004, 03:06 AM	#13
NFACurious Member Join Date: December 29, 2004 Posts: 77	Real problem is, the person doing the cutting is probably just happy hes making some money and has no consideration to what hes doing.

January 12, 2005, 01:18 PM	#14
Lonestar.45 Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2004 Posts: 261	Well, what's the alternative, sending barge loads of weapons off shore and sinking them into the Atlantic? That's what would probably happen if they weren't cut up and sold here for parts. That's the fate of many many tons of weapons after they are captured or rendered "obsolete" by new technology.

February 14, 2005, 03:21 AM	#15
Lowjack Member Join Date: February 2, 2005 Location: West coast usa Posts: 16	I've always been under the impression that alot of kits like that one sold for parts are most intreging to the criminal element in which case a new reciever and the balls to actually take it anywhere to shoot it are their problem and if they find it worth the price of getting popped......****'em! 50$ + ?? us bucks aint much for a meth dealer looking to extend his stay with bubba for possession of an unregistered MG as well as possession of methamphetamine with intent to distribute. I think it's funny that some people wont/dont see the beauty in applying for and paying the $200 tax to the BATF and doing it legit.