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February 18, 2009, 10:48 AM | #1 |
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Wyoming Drops 14 States From Reciprocity List
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I was first made aware of this on another forum. I called the Wyoming Attorney Generals Office to confirm the facts as reported and its true. I was planning on going to Wyoming this year on vacation. Now I'm going to have to make some changes in my plans. The following quote is from a directive sent out to all law enforcement agencies in the State. Quote: TO: All Wyoming Sheriffs All Wyoming Chiefs of Police FROM: Forrest C. Bright, Director DATE: February 12, 2009 RE: Concealed Firearm Permit Reciprocity I am writing to let all the agencies in Wyoming know of substantial changes resulting from review of other states’ concealed firearm criteria. The Wyoming Attorney General’s Office recently completed examination of the other 49 states statutes for the purpose of honoring concealed firearms permits issued by another state, or reciprocity. Pursuant to Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 6-8-401(a)(iii), Wyoming will recognize a permit from another state that “has laws similar to the provisions of this section, as determined by the attorney general . . ..” The Wyoming Attorney General has determined that with the exception of 8 states, presently all the others concealed firearm permit statutes are not sufficiently similar to Wyoming’s. Specifically, Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 6-8-104(b)(v) prohibits issuance of a permit to any person who has been convicted of a controlled substance violation, felony or misdemeanor in any jurisdiction. Most other states’ analogous statutes do not. The Wyoming Attorney General holds that if a misdemeanor drug conviction disqualifies a Wyoming resident, is also needs to disqualify an out-of-state permit holder. Due to the difference in how each state handles controlled substance convictions, Wyoming is also limited in our ability to maintain reciprocity with states we may have previously. Accordingly, as of March 1, 2009, Wyoming can only honor concealed firearm permits issued by the following states: Connecticut, Ohio, Georgia, Oklahoma, Maryland, Oregon, Massachusetts and Utah.
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February 18, 2009, 11:36 AM | #3 |
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Politically correct silliness! A misdemeanor should never be an excuse for a lifetime loss of rights.
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February 18, 2009, 12:29 PM | #4 |
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There's a big difference between how Wyoming deals with drug offenses and Kalifornia.....I'm glad I'm in Wyoming.
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February 18, 2009, 01:03 PM | #5 |
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waynesan,
I understand the frustration, but why would this make not want to visit Wyoming??? Seems a little paranoid to me. |
February 18, 2009, 01:23 PM | #6 |
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So whats the problems?
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February 18, 2009, 02:31 PM | #7 | |
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As far as adjusting our travel plans I will now more likely visit Montana or at least spend more time there since I have spent little time in either State and they both have a lot to offer vacationers. Its really not about being "paranoid". No more so than not doing business in a store that has a "no guns allowed" sign in the window. If there is a store down the street that has the same merchandise for about the same price, they will get my business.
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February 18, 2009, 03:26 PM | #9 |
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Wyoming dropped more than 14 states, I count 19.
Connecticut, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah. Green are states that are new to the reciprocity list and red are states previously listed. These states were listed on this site last updated 1/14/09, (I understand this site is only a summary and the state official web page is where we should look for the definitive answer) AL, AK, CO, FL, ID, IN, KY, LA, MI, MS, MT, NH, NC, "NM", PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, are dropped. Then If you have an out of state Utah permit,looks like you are good to go.
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February 18, 2009, 03:37 PM | #10 |
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just a side note, Wyoming allows you to carry openly without a permit. If you would like to come to Wyoming and Wyoming no longer has reciprocity with your state, you can still carry, just ware one on the outside...with pride!
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I understand what you are saying waynesan. Just come to New Mexico.
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February 18, 2009, 11:00 PM | #14 |
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is being fair and balanced "stripping" you of your rights?
Wyoming has appaently decided that when other state's citizens visit, they should be held to the same standard as Wyoming citizens. Is there a fundamental flaw in that approach?
Not honoring your out of state CCW permit is NOT stripping you of constitutional rights. If you need a permit, it isn't a right.
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I have a problem with any state (including my own) using non-felonies to restrict rights. Now perhaps you don't see bearing arms as a right but I do. If Wyoming chooses to treat marijuana smoking as a felony that is their right. It's silly, but they have they right to make silly laws - God knows we have more than our fair share. What I'm saying is resident or non-resident non-felons should not be stripped of the rights afforded the rest of society. But if you want to defend the concept that the right to bear arms is merely a privilege to be granted, revoked or ignored at the whim of government then that is your right.
FWIW my Utah permit appears safe, at least until coffee is banned.
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While it is true that businesses can post a sign on their entry doors stating that they do not allow open carry in their establishment, and the same restrictions which apply to concealed carry apply to open carry, it is my understanding that municipalities cannot disallow one to carry openly in one's own vehicle and out of doors. I have numerous close relatives who are LE's in no less than 7 different counties. Some Sheriff's Deputies, some HP's, some PO's. They all say the same thing, and I quote; "God bless Wyoming, cuz you can walk down any street in this here state with a loaded hoglegg on your hip right out there in front of God, Adam, Joe and Jane, and aint no 5-0 gonna bat an eye."
according to opencarry.org: Wyoming Summary Wyoming is one of our "Gold Star" open carry states. There is complete state preemption of all firearms laws, open carry is constitutionally protected and law enforcement is aware of its legality. State Constitution Article I, Section 24: The right of citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied. Minimum Age to OC: No Statutory Limit Preemption: Complete State Preemption of All Firearm Laws NOTE: Almost all states allow local regulation of the discharge of firearms Open Car Carry: You may open carry in a vehicle. It must be clearly visible.
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I just got an email from Wyoming's US Senator Mike Enzi which included the following:
Enzi co-sponsored a bill to support the Second Amendment. S. 371, the Respecting States Rights and Conceal Carry bill, would allow individuals to carry lawfully concealed firearms across state lines, while at the same time respecting the laws of the host state. Some states with concealed carry laws already grant reciprocity to permit-holders from other select states. This bill would allow permits to be valid across all state lines as long as traveling individuals follow the laws of the host state, including laws concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may or may not be carried. I knew I liked this guy...
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Well that really SUCKS considering that I live 20 minutes from the WY border and travel through the state often when home to visit friends in CO.
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Grrrrrrr.....
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won't do a bit of good, but I feel a little better and this is all about ME dammit. Director Bright, My name is Chad Dixon. I’m the chief armorer and firearms instructor for the security force tasked with guarding the United States Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq. I also possess a concealed weapons carry permit issued by my home state of South Dakota. I have always enjoyed traveling through Wyoming’s Thunder Basin National Grasslands while on my way to participate in competitive shooting events hosted in CO and NM. Especially during the spring as it’s an opportunity to witness thunderstorms the likes I’ve never seen anywhere else. These events have always fascinated me. Transporting several thousands of dollars worth of precision target rifles carries its own set of inherent risks and I take them seriously, so I’ve always carried my 1911 pistol with me on every one of these trips. Never once has it ever created a problem. Not even when I was once cited for driving a bit too fast just south of Newcastle a few years back by a Wyoming State Highway Patrolman. I’ve always felt very fortunate and very good about being able to carry a sidearm. Not only because of the level of protection it offers, but because I live in a country where it’s possible to even do so. It’s a small tangible reminder of why I dedicated six years of my life to the US Marine Corps. In my travels I have worked and operated in a number of industrialized and third world countries where the very idea of carrying a firearm hidden inside a shirt would be considered an insanity and beyond comprehension. Imagine then my disappointment when I learned that you have used the power of your office to change the law. It’s disheartening to learn that if I’m ever caught doing this again I’ll be a criminal. Since I am a law abiding citizen I’m left with essentially two options. Use an alternate route or transport the pistol in a status that is compliant with Wyoming law. Never mind the mixed message you are sending with the recent changes to laws governing National Parks and firearms. Director Bright the gun culture of America is a powerful one and since the internet it has become even more of a viable entity. The word is out regarding your decision and people are not receiving it well. I question if legislation that compels law abiding nonresidents to avoid Wyoming is an exercise in good judgment in the midst of the greatest economic yeast infection since the great depression. I just thought you should know how your decisions affect others. Respectfully, Chad Dixon Last edited by longrifles, Inc; February 20, 2009 at 07:23 AM. |
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I read this in Colorados' law. It is unusual as it states that they honor certain states' permits,,only if that person is a resident of their host state. Meaning, the fellow from Calif who has a Utah permit, may not carry in Colorado. thoughts or have I interpreted this wrong? Secondly, while I won't pretend to know all of the cities bylaws here, I seriously doubt that you will encounter any kind of problem in our state while carrying, unless you attend a drunken concert or concert drunken.LOL A friend of mine who has been here only 3 yrs once asked me if the rifles in my p/u gun rack were loaded, to which I replied that they were only expensive clubs w/o bullets. He is from Mich where apparently guns in racks get you pulled over. elkman06
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This letter was sent by me this afternoon (Baghdad time)
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Here is the response: Chad: Upon further consideration, the Wyoming Attorney General’s Office is undertaking a thorough review of the concealed carry statutes of the 49 other states to determine which states have laws similar to Wyoming’s. Once that review is complete, the Division’s web site will feature a list of the states from which Wyoming will honor concealed carry permits. Until then, the Division of Criminal Investigation will honor permits from those states with which Wyoming had reciprocity as of January 1, 2009. Accordingly, Wyoming will continue to recognize concealed firearm permits from the following states. The listing also encompasses those states that have indicated they honor Wyoming permits. Alaska Louisiana Oklahoma Alabama Michigan Pennsylvania Colorado Mississippi South Carolina Florida Montana South Dakota Georgia New Hampshire Tennessee Idaho New Mexico Texas Indiana Ohio Utah Kentucky You will find the states listed above have also been revised on our website shown in paragraph 9 at http://attorneygeneral.state.wy.us/dci/CWPFAQ.html Forrest C. Bright Director Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigations 316 W. 22nd Street Cheyenne, WY 82002-0150 Office: 307-777-7181 Fax: 307-777-7252 |
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Wow,
That was a fast change! The squeaky wheel got some grease Anyone have the E-Mail address for, Director Bright? I can't find it on the Wyoming site. But what happened to, Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, Oregon They were on the Wyoming list a few days ago? As I tell the New and Refreshing attendees in my gun class, "Keep Updated" these lists change Elkman; http://www.bca.state.mn.us/CJIS/Docu...it/States.html Minnesota laws authorize individuals holding gun permits from the following states to carry in Minnesota: Alaska Arkansas Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Michigan Missouri New Mexico Nevada Ohio Oklahoma Tennessee Texas Utah Wyoming Please note that the permit issued by your state does not supersede Minnesota’s laws or regulations. Legal conduct in your state may not be legal in Minnesota. And this list is dated Feb. 21, 2009
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