Holder, Obama want new AWB

azredhawk44 · February 25, 2009, 11:42 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

Here it comes, folks. Write your critters.

Only a month in to his administration and he's already after this. Let's make him a lame duck by his 50th day, take the house and senate in 2010 and turn him into a 1 term wonder in 2012.

pax · February 25, 2009, 11:46 PM

No honest or intelligent person is surprised.

pax

armedtotheteeth · February 25, 2009, 11:52 PM

So, since the Mexican drug cartels have somehow gotten ahold of fully automatic assault rifles, they want to take away law abiding Americans Semi automatic rifles, and leave us alot less armed against these idiots?? Genious plan!! Some people should not be allowed to reproduce, ie these guys parents.

Wildalaska · February 26, 2009, 12:13 AM

Heres my email already sent, where is yours

Dear Senator Begich:

Eric Holder announced today that that a new Assault Weapons Ban is being considered by the Obama administration.

You won a close election, in part, because of your "pro gun" record and promises you made to protect gun rights. I respectfully request that you do everything in your power to block this legislation, including but not limited to, immediately issuing a public statement demonstrating your opposition to an so called Assault weapons ban

Please be advised that your actions in this regard will determine whether or not you receive the support of gun owning Alaskans in the future.

Thank you for your consideration.

WildandthatchildishpicneedstogoAlaska TM

shortwave · February 26, 2009, 12:20 AM

And this is a surprise why

. Obama`s stance on guns was(will be) displayed in his past voting on gun issue`s and his statements made about guns PRIOR to becoming Pres. Now he`s Pres. and has put in place people that share his veiws. Again, should come as no surprise. IMO, this is just the start of a four year battle for gun owners to keep what rights our Constitution is supposed to guarantee us. Using Mexico as an excuse to do what you`ve already got in mind to do is pretty lame. Since when did we ever let other countries dictate or have influence over our Constitutional Rights:barf:?

Al Norris · February 26, 2009, 12:22 AM

Do Not Panic!

There is, as yet, no pending legislation.

Holder is putting both feet into his mouth... At least, that will be what everyone says, IF everyone on this board, and all other gun-boards, immediately writes their Congressmen and Senators.

If you are not an NRA member, join. Join today to send the Congress a solid message. I don't care what you think of the NRA. Hold your nose, if you have to, but become a member.

Wildalaska · February 26, 2009, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Do Not Panic!

easy for you to say my customers are gonna be beating down the doors in the morning.

WildlikewalmartatxmasAlaska TM

shortwave · February 26, 2009, 12:50 AM

Hey Wild, you gonna have Blue Light Specials on your SKS with bayonet lugs

. You know alot of killing`s have happened here lately with bayonets and grenade launchers

.

AZ Med18 · February 26, 2009, 01:02 AM

ABC is censoring the responses by gun owners not liking the story....

I hope its a joke like an early april fools would be nice.

Al Norris · February 26, 2009, 01:03 AM

You know, this could very well be the worst political disaster since Nixon.

In '94, almost no one was watching, when the AWB came in. That isn't the case today.

By telegraphing this proposed action, Eric Holder may have just sealed his political career, along with that of his Boss. It's gonna be interesting to see what unfolds tomorrow and over the weekend.

Oh, and if you thought there was a run on guns and ammo before.... I'm thinking we haven't seen nothing yet. Starting tomorrow morning.

Wildalaska · February 26, 2009, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Oh, and if you thought there was a run on guns and ammo before.... I'm thinking we haven't seen nothing yet. Starting tomorrow morning.

Putting the tinfoil on.....

Could be about...stimulus?

WildscrewthecondommoneyletssellgunsAlaska TM

**Mike Irwin** · February 26, 2009, 02:43 AM

My quick note to Senator Mark Warner of Virginia:

Despite the new administration's pre-election pledges to the contrary, Attorney General Holder has confirmed law-abiding firearms owners' worst fears and has stated that President Obama will seek a new so-called "assault weapons" ban (AWB). (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1)

As Governor of Virginia you were a friend of the law-abiding firearms owner -- I urge you not to abandon gunowners nationwide and do everything you can to block this new legislative boondogle when it is introduced.

As you know, such laws only serve to impact the rights of those who are law-abiding in the first place. Not even the Federal Bureau of Investigation could find any evidence that President Clinton's 1994 AWB did the slightest thing to make Americans safer by reducing crime.

Now we're being told that not only would a new AWB make American safer, it would also help make Mexico safer by supposedly interdicting the supply of firearms to that nation's drug cartels. Since when is Mexico's inability to control its own internal crime problems a recipe for Americans to surrender even more of their Second Amendment rights?

Again, I urge you to do everything that you can to prevent this bill from ever becoming law.

Sincerely,

Michael Irwin

The same will be going to Senator Jim Webb and to Rep. Gerry Connolly, who is a friend of mine but not on the same page as I am regarding firearms. Connolly is the one I'm most concerned about.

209 · February 26, 2009, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Putting the tinfoil on.....

Could be about...stimulus?

WildscrewthecondommoneyletssellgunsAlaska TM

Easy for you to say! It's your wallet getting stimulated!

The rest of us are going to have to line up at the gun store the night before like we're waiting for the newest Xbox.

And it's still cold around these parts.

I kind of half expected it to happen. I guess I was hoping they'd remember the outcome of their last one, but I guess they think they're invincible these days.

buzz_knox · February 26, 2009, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Despite the new administration's pre-election pledges to the contrary, Attorney General Holder has confirmed law-abiding firearms owners' worst fears and has stated that President Obama will seek a new so-called "assault weapons" ban (AWB). (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1)

This is not correct. Obama called for an AWB renewal before the election. He promised to "not take your guns" but he always wanted an AWB and was open about it.

Bartholomew Roberts · February 26, 2009, 08:23 AM

And prices were just starting to fall back down too... I guess if they can't artificially inflate prices with legislation, they'll inflate them with speculation. Still writing all of my Senators and Representative, even though they are all Republican and know better than to sign on to any AWB.

johninminnesota · February 26, 2009, 09:26 AM

Oblahma is far too busy spending our money to worry about this. Wait till the country is totally given to the welfare recipients and criminals... then, he'll start on this. I give it another 6 months.

:barf:

hogdogs · February 26, 2009, 10:20 AM

Johninminn, He only needs 2 hours to sign it... it is pelosi and her cronies who will swiftly move this along! They are smart enuff to know they have the majority of seats but are likely to dumb to know the future career doom they will likely suffer...
Brent

**Mike Irwin** · February 26, 2009, 10:22 AM

"This is not correct. Obama called for an AWB renewal before the election. He promised to "not take your guns" but he always wanted an AWB and was open about it."

Not particularly well-worded on my part, Buzz.

I knew that, but merged the concepts too closely together.

That's what happens at 3 in the morning.

johnwilliamson062 · February 26, 2009, 10:29 AM

Why in the world would a drug deal who is already imported drugs from SE Asia not also import AKs from the region when they are available at a fraction of the price they are in the US.

The US government has sent a huge number of arms south to the Mexican police and military, and I am sure many of them ended up in the cartels arsenal. Not civilian weapons, at least not on a large scale simply because it would have to be cheaper and easier to pull them out of the countries providing the drugs.

ATW525 · February 26, 2009, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Johninminn, He only needs 2 hours to sign it... it is pelosi and her cronies who will swiftly move this along! They are smart enuff to know they have the majority of seats but are likely to dumb to know the future career doom they will likely suffer...
Brent

Pelosi and the core of the anti-gun crowd in congress have little to fear in supporting the AWB. They almost exclusively represent states that already have AWBs of their own on the books, so their constituents are uneffected by any potential Federal AWB.

azredhawk44 · February 26, 2009, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Do Not Panic!

Easy for you to say... I forgot my towel!

[/hitchhiker references]

Anyone intending to write (on old fashioned paper and sent with a postage stamp) to their critters or to Obama should do so on a plain postcard.

Letters in envelopes, when sent to FedGov folks, don't get opened for weeks or months. This is due to screening for biological or chemical contaminants that "could" be in the envelope. A postcard has no such threat.

A paragraph on a postcard, folks.

vranasaurus · February 26, 2009, 11:01 AM

I just emailed Senator Grassley, tried to email Congressman King but his stupid form won't let me because I have a Kentucky zip code even though I am an Iowa resident.

I am still trying to decide if I want to waste the bandwidth emailing Senator Harkin. He has long been hostile toward gun rights.

hoytinak · February 26, 2009, 11:03 AM

Senator Cornyn here in Texas has an email in his "inbox" from me.

Very good point azredhawk44.

SkySlash · February 26, 2009, 11:20 AM

I sent emails to both Senators, and I'm about to send one to my house reps as well.

-SS

LaBulldog · February 26, 2009, 11:35 AM

I read the thread posted else where on this forum. It appears that the violence in Mexico is one excuse to reinstitute the AWB.

Fact: If you get caught bringing a firearm into Mexico, you go to jail, immediately. Don't expect bail or a speedy trial.

AWB will not make a difference. The laws are already in place and they don't work cause bad guys ignore them and take their chances.

I don't own an "assault weapon" or a rifle. But if I did, I sure would not try to cross the border with it.

February 25, 2009, 11:42 PM	#1
azredhawk44 Junior member Join Date: September 28, 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 6,465	Holder, Obama want new AWB http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1 Here it comes, folks. Write your critters. Only a month in to his administration and he's already after this. Let's make him a lame duck by his 50th day, take the house and senate in 2010 and turn him into a 1 term wonder in 2012.

February 25, 2009, 11:46 PM	#2
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	No honest or intelligent person is surprised. pax __________________ Kathy Jackson My personal website: Cornered Cat

February 26, 2009, 12:20 AM	#5
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	And this is a surprise why. Obama`s stance on guns was(will be) displayed in his past voting on gun issue`s and his statements made about guns PRIOR to becoming Pres. Now he`s Pres. and has put in place people that share his veiws. Again, should come as no surprise. IMO, this is just the start of a four year battle for gun owners to keep what rights our Constitution is supposed to guarantee us. Using Mexico as an excuse to do what you`ve already got in mind to do is pretty lame. Since when did we ever let other countries dictate or have influence over our Constitutional Rights:barf:? Last edited by shortwave; February 26, 2009 at 12:43 AM.

February 26, 2009, 12:50 AM	#8
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Hey Wild, you gonna have Blue Light Specials on your SKS with bayonet lugs. You know alot of killing`s have happened here lately with bayonets and grenade launchers.

February 26, 2009, 01:02 AM	#9
AZ Med18 Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 337	ABC is censoring the responses by gun owners not liking the story.... I hope its a joke like an early april fools would be nice. __________________ XD 9mm service Ruger LCP Colt Python .357 magnum AK-47 Mossberg 500 12 gauge

February 25, 2009, 11:52 PM	#3
armedtotheteeth Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2005 Location: podunk, Texas Posts: 1,610	So, since the Mexican drug cartels have somehow gotten ahold of fully automatic assault rifles, they want to take away law abiding Americans Semi automatic rifles, and leave us alot less armed against these idiots?? Genious plan!! Some people should not be allowed to reproduce, ie these guys parents.

February 26, 2009, 12:13 AM	#4
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Heres my email already sent, where is yours Dear Senator Begich: Eric Holder announced today that that a new Assault Weapons Ban is being considered by the Obama administration. You won a close election, in part, because of your "pro gun" record and promises you made to protect gun rights. I respectfully request that you do everything in your power to block this legislation, including but not limited to, immediately issuing a public statement demonstrating your opposition to an so called Assault weapons ban Please be advised that your actions in this regard will determine whether or not you receive the support of gun owning Alaskans in the future. Thank you for your consideration. WildandthatchildishpicneedstogoAlaska TM

February 26, 2009, 12:22 AM	#6
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Do Not Panic! There is, as yet, no pending legislation. Holder is putting both feet into his mouth... At least, that will be what everyone says, IF everyone on this board, and all other gun-boards, immediately writes their Congressmen and Senators. If you are not an NRA member, join. Join today to send the Congress a solid message. I don't care what you think of the NRA. Hold your nose, if you have to, but become a member.

February 26, 2009, 01:03 AM	#10
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	You know, this could very well be the worst political disaster since Nixon. In '94, almost no one was watching, when the AWB came in. That isn't the case today. By telegraphing this proposed action, Eric Holder may have just sealed his political career, along with that of his Boss. It's gonna be interesting to see what unfolds tomorrow and over the weekend. Oh, and if you thought there was a run on guns and ammo before.... I'm thinking we haven't seen nothing yet. Starting tomorrow morning.

February 26, 2009, 02:43 AM	#12
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	My quick note to Senator Mark Warner of Virginia: Despite the new administration's pre-election pledges to the contrary, Attorney General Holder has confirmed law-abiding firearms owners' worst fears and has stated that President Obama will seek a new so-called "assault weapons" ban (AWB). (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1) As Governor of Virginia you were a friend of the law-abiding firearms owner -- I urge you not to abandon gunowners nationwide and do everything you can to block this new legislative boondogle when it is introduced. As you know, such laws only serve to impact the rights of those who are law-abiding in the first place. Not even the Federal Bureau of Investigation could find any evidence that President Clinton's 1994 AWB did the slightest thing to make Americans safer by reducing crime. Now we're being told that not only would a new AWB make American safer, it would also help make Mexico safer by supposedly interdicting the supply of firearms to that nation's drug cartels. Since when is Mexico's inability to control its own internal crime problems a recipe for Americans to surrender even more of their Second Amendment rights? Again, I urge you to do everything that you can to prevent this bill from ever becoming law. Sincerely, Michael Irwin The same will be going to Senator Jim Webb and to Rep. Gerry Connolly, who is a friend of mine but not on the same page as I am regarding firearms. Connolly is the one I'm most concerned about.

February 26, 2009, 08:23 AM	#15
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	And prices were just starting to fall back down too... I guess if they can't artificially inflate prices with legislation, they'll inflate them with speculation. Still writing all of my Senators and Representative, even though they are all Republican and know better than to sign on to any AWB.

February 26, 2009, 09:26 AM	#16
johninminnesota Junior Member Join Date: June 28, 2008 Posts: 9	Oblahma is far too busy spending our money to worry about this. Wait till the country is totally given to the welfare recipients and criminals... then, he'll start on this. I give it another 6 months. :barf: __________________ "Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." -- Will Rogers http://www.banstupid.com

February 26, 2009, 10:20 AM	#17
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Johninminn, He only needs 2 hours to sign it... it is pelosi and her cronies who will swiftly move this along! They are smart enuff to know they have the majority of seats but are likely to dumb to know the future career doom they will likely suffer... Brent

February 26, 2009, 10:22 AM	#18
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	"This is not correct. Obama called for an AWB renewal before the election. He promised to "not take your guns" but he always wanted an AWB and was open about it." Not particularly well-worded on my part, Buzz. I knew that, but merged the concepts too closely together. That's what happens at 3 in the morning.

February 26, 2009, 10:29 AM	#19
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Why in the world would a drug deal who is already imported drugs from SE Asia not also import AKs from the region when they are available at a fraction of the price they are in the US. The US government has sent a huge number of arms south to the Mexican police and military, and I am sure many of them ended up in the cartels arsenal. Not civilian weapons, at least not on a large scale simply because it would have to be cheaper and easier to pull them out of the countries providing the drugs.

February 26, 2009, 11:01 AM	#22
vranasaurus Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2008 Posts: 1,184	I just emailed Senator Grassley, tried to email Congressman King but his stupid form won't let me because I have a Kentucky zip code even though I am an Iowa resident. I am still trying to decide if I want to waste the bandwidth emailing Senator Harkin. He has long been hostile toward gun rights.

February 26, 2009, 11:03 AM	#23
hoytinak Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,721	Senator Cornyn here in Texas has an email in his "inbox" from me. Very good point azredhawk44.

February 26, 2009, 11:20 AM	#24
SkySlash Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2001 Location: Mansfield, TX Posts: 493	I sent emails to both Senators, and I'm about to send one to my house reps as well. -SS __________________ There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

February 26, 2009, 11:35 AM	#25
LaBulldog Member Join Date: February 23, 2009 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 55	I read the thread posted else where on this forum. It appears that the violence in Mexico is one excuse to reinstitute the AWB. Fact: If you get caught bringing a firearm into Mexico, you go to jail, immediately. Don't expect bail or a speedy trial. AWB will not make a difference. The laws are already in place and they don't work cause bad guys ignore them and take their chances. I don't own an "assault weapon" or a rifle. But if I did, I sure would not try to cross the border with it.

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