2 to the chest 1 to the head but what if...

[gdeal]

there are two people? then would it just be a double-tap to each person? I might have to put up four bulls-eye targets to simulate two people. right now I have one round target above another round target. I shoot two to the bottom target and one to the top target. I print them out from the Remington web site and it's cheaper than buying the human sillouette targets at the range. Anyway back to my original question... What should the shooting be if there are two people side-by-side?

[comn-cents]

It depends on the situation. Is one guy closer, is one armed?
For me if both are the same distance away and one is armed armed guy gets a couple, not armed guy may get a pass, depending on their reactions.
Both armed one closer than the other, closer guy gets one farther guy gets 2 then back to the close guy. Same distance both armed same thing, one in BG #1 then 2 in BG#2 then back to BG #1

[Nowhere Man]

Two shots each. Go back to first for head shot. Finish with head shot to the second target.


Dave

[Dragon55]

Carry something that will go through and through. Quickly run to their flank and start firing at the first BG ...... shots go through and get #2 also

[THEZACHARIAS]

If you are to a point where you know they are both armed (most likely because 2 barrels are pointed at your chest), im gonna have to say its too late to be trying to shoot anyone. By the time you clear your holster, theyre gonna have half a magazine in you. Best bet is to talk the situation down or wait/hope/create enough of a distraction so you can draw and fire.

Cant hurt to practice a 2 to each chest followed by 1 to each head kind of drill, though. You never know, if its dark you just might get your shots off. The trick in this situation will be doing it without getting yourself shot too.

[markj]

For more than one assailant I would recommend a hand grenade.

If a person or two attacks you and you draw upon them I doubt if you will get a chance to double tap each one unless they are far away.

Try one shot to center mass on each then cover them until 911 gets there.

Better yet try to avoid any type of confrontation like this, you will feel better.

[serf 'rett]

The closer/farther and armed/unarmed thing is sensible.

Nowhere, since I have no tactical training, I’m wondering why you wouldn’t take the head shot at #2 while you’re still locked in on them from the double tap, before switching back to #1 for head shot?

[comn-cents]

Dragon55 That's a great answer

THEZACHARIAS armed with what? Armed can mean many things.
Armed doesn't mean that the BG is prepared or alert. It is very possible to draw a shot before they can react.
I've seen this and practiced this many times.
My mother in-law was a cop for 27 yrs and told me this story. There was a cop that walk into a bank robbery, not knowing what was going on. He was in street clothes and the three BG all had hostages with guns to their heads. He shot all of the BG before any of them could responded.

[THEZACHARIAS]

This is true. But resolving this kind of scenario sounds more dependant on the specific circumstances rather than the actual disparity in the number of participants.

[Brian Pfleuger]

Originally Posted by gdeal

What should the shooting be if there are two people side-by-side?

I believe the saying goes "Everyone gets firsts before anyone gets seconds."

[comn-cents]

+1^

[MLeake]

First, as other posters have noted, avoidance is the best tactic.

Second, sometimes we lose our situational awareness, or the environment is just rife with hiding places despite our best efforts. EG, one avoids the shadowy doorway by moving closer to the street while walking down the sidewalk, but a BG pops out from behind a parked van...

So, if there's more than one attacker, and if you think engaging is the only viable option at that point, just bear in mind that moving will cause them more problems than it will cause you. IE, try to move in such a way that you put one of the attackers between you and the other attacker(s). You can shoot down that line and hit BG's either way; the farther BG(s) risk hitting their teammate if they try to shoot at you.

We do these sort of drills vs melee weapons or open-hand all the time in aikido; it's called "randori." One learns very quickly the value of trying to move so that your opponents get in each other's way.

But again, the best thing is to avoid the problem in the first place.

Cheers,

M

[Nowhere Man]

serf 'rett wrote;

Nowhere, since I have no tactical training, I’m wondering why you wouldn’t take the head shot at #2 while you’re still locked in on them from the double tap, before switching back to #1 for head shot?

In theory, the body shots to #1 and #2 only shook them up. You want to return to #1 with a head shot before he is able to return fire. Taking the head shot on #2 first may give #1 enough time to rejoin the fight.


Dave

[Trigger Finger]

There was a drill we went through years ago that was taught in the academy.

When confronted with more than one opponent in a shooting situation, shoot one shot in the 10 ring in each opponent targeting the closest first then return to fire a second or third shot in those that need it!
If I recall correctly it was called the Hickok Technique. Supposedly named after a bar room shooting Wild Bill was involved in.

[HuntAndFish]

^ +1. Also commonly referred to as boarding house rules. Everyone gets a helping before anyone gets seconds.

ETA: However, it has been shown to me in a timed drill that with only two opponents a quick hammer to both targets is a fraction of a second faster than a box drill on them. You need to decide what to do for yourself and practice it.

[stephen426]

Not productive.

Can we keep to the real issue and useful suggestions.

Also, suggestions from folks who have trained for such are better than speculation.

GEM

[Kyo]

I practice by doing 3 COM in each target, then the last target going to the head, and then going back to the rest with the head as the target.
I do this with 3 targets.
with 2 I think I still would shoot 3 each in the center.
oh and I can shoot just as well with my left. doing a double carry must be a PITA

[MLeake]

... this is really one of those situations where training to move and shoot would be beneficial. Standing still and trying to play quick-draw with two or more shooters who have unobstructed lines of fire is not good odds.

[Skan21]

No such thing as a "double tap" anymore. Technically, it's a "controlled pair", now. I guess DT's got a bad name, so they changed it. A lot like Blackwater, now that I think about it.......

[akamdg]

You should be able to deliver a controlled pair to the center mass pretty rapidly. So I think it makes the most sense to fire two controlled pairs into both guys and then if they're still a threat to either continue shooting at center mass or aim at their heads.

"If a person or two attacks you and you draw upon them I doubt if you will get a chance to double tap each one unless they are far away."

I'd have to disagree with that statement. I think an example of why that's not true is the shooting that involved Bernhard Goetz. Goetz was surrounded by four guys on a subway train who were going to rob him. He drew his five-shot S&W revolver and shot all four of them in 1.6 seconds or less and stopped them from being a threat.

[Trigger Finger]

Goetz didn't double tap each opponent!

[MLeake]

Bernie is a diversion from the issue.

[koolminx]

Not productive. Also, hint - don't use words that bring up the language filter. If you see stars = **** - go back and edit your post.

[akamdg]

No Bernie!!

[MLeake]

NO Bernie!