Live barer snakes...

hogdogs · August 20, 2009, 11:40 PM

So how many of ya'll know rattle snakes don't lay a clutch of eggs? We got a 3 foot rattle snake with only 3-4 rattles and a button. Buddy squatted to leave a deposit and he hollered out hard... "BRENT BRING SUMTHIN TO KILL...." I couldn't make him out as he was 200-300 yards deep. So I take the "iron" rake with me. He has the rattle snake in sight. So I take an overhand "sling blade toss" and I got it pinned tight. Art brings a limb/club and caves in the head. Story is, Art squatted to do #2 and after the wipe action he is lookin' eye to eye with the snake. So we drag it out with a tine in the neck and a caved in head. we had about 20 minutes of picking up to do.... This snake was unconscious as we would past and it would coil and rattle... So it was "clipped" with lopper cutters. Later on we wanted to open it up. I figger it was a fresh squirrel or older rabbit in the gut. Turns out it was 10 baby rattle snakes in their own "sack" made up of body, yolk, liquid and clear soft "shell"... they all were attached to one "vine/tube" looking like a grape cluster... Coolest thing in years!
BRENT

MLeake · August 20, 2009, 11:44 PM

... people have been bitten by post-mortem reflex; they can still inject venom, or a person can manage to stick themselves on the dead snake's fang(s) in just the right way to squeeze some venom through.

At least, that's what the snake expert who used to come to our safety stand-downs at Whiting and Jax used to tell us.

hogdogs · August 20, 2009, 11:56 PM

ML, Yeah we decided to wait a few hours as we were unsure... We were drinking "fruit shine" and waiting. when I opened the gut and the tumbled out I was in AWE

Seriously... we caught it on cell phone pics but we are fighting getting to my POS puter to share the pics...
Brent

impalacustom · August 21, 2009, 01:52 AM

Brent did it look like this

A friend of mine was prarie dog hunting out west and had this sneak up on him. He ate the snake though

srt 10 jimbo · August 21, 2009, 07:06 AM

Old world vipers lay eggs (europe, Africa). Only venomous snake that lays eggs in the Americas are Coral snakes. Was reading in the paper today, a Guy In Hollywood Florida got bit by a Green Mamba, They got him to a Hospital and got the anti venin in him, so he's gonna be allright. Cant believe someone would keep one for a pet.

hogdogs · August 21, 2009, 08:16 AM

Impala... Yes it did... 'Cept she only had 10 total and the yolks were almost gone. Snakes were 10-12 inch and fully developed complete with a rattle "button" and it had what looked like a cover on it. I am guessing they were 24-48 hours away from birthing...
Brent

pwelsh4hd · August 21, 2009, 09:14 AM

I assume this was out in the woods somewhere, since your buddy was taking an outdoor "deuce"......why kill it out there? It's out in its own realm, should just leave it alone. If it's getting a little to close for comfort with your home and you can't bear it, then I guess kill it if you feel the need to, but those in the wild should just be left alone to go about their business.

Fat White Boy · August 21, 2009, 11:28 PM

Shouldn't this story have started with, "Here, hold my beer" or "Ya'll watch this ShXt..."

PT111 · August 22, 2009, 07:31 AM

Quote:

It's out in its own realm, should just leave it alone. If it's getting a little to close for comfort with your home and you can't bear it, then I guess kill it if you feel the need to, but those in the wild should just be left alone to go about their business.

I feel similar but my Father had a fear of rattlesnakes. However it came from one of the hands on our farm was bitten by a rattlesnake while picking cotton. My father tried to get him to the doctor but he died within 30 minutes. This was back in about 1952 and he never forgot it or got over his wanting to kill any snake he saw.

Double Naught Spy · August 22, 2009, 10:11 AM

Reptile bearing of live young is called ovovivipary. It is also done by some fish and amphibians.

Buzzcook · August 22, 2009, 11:08 AM

Ovoviviparity Thanks for the new word Doublenoughtspy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovoviviparity

hogdogs · August 22, 2009, 04:19 PM

pwelsh4hd, this was on a clearing job. The "pasture" we were working behind is actually a large (several acres) dog area. The snake was close enuff to be a possible risk in the future. I am not one to kill every snake I see but if it is a viper any where near where I may hunt with my dogs, their days are numbered.
Brent

Double Naught Spy · August 22, 2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Ovoviviparity Thanks for the new word Doublenoughtspy.

I have been waiting the better part of 20 years to find a situation in which to use the term...since taking Herpetology and Chordate Anatomy, LOL. I have several more almost worthless concepts I am holding onto for special occasions.

August 20, 2009, 11:40 PM	#1
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Live barer snakes... So how many of ya'll know rattle snakes don't lay a clutch of eggs? We got a 3 foot rattle snake with only 3-4 rattles and a button. Buddy squatted to leave a deposit and he hollered out hard... "BRENT BRING SUMTHIN TO KILL...." I couldn't make him out as he was 200-300 yards deep. So I take the "iron" rake with me. He has the rattle snake in sight. So I take an overhand "sling blade toss" and I got it pinned tight. Art brings a limb/club and caves in the head. Story is, Art squatted to do #2 and after the wipe action he is lookin' eye to eye with the snake. So we drag it out with a tine in the neck and a caved in head. we had about 20 minutes of picking up to do.... This snake was unconscious as we would past and it would coil and rattle... So it was "clipped" with lopper cutters. Later on we wanted to open it up. I figger it was a fresh squirrel or older rabbit in the gut. Turns out it was 10 baby rattle snakes in their own "sack" made up of body, yolk, liquid and clear soft "shell"... they all were attached to one "vine/tube" looking like a grape cluster... Coolest thing in years! BRENT

August 21, 2009, 09:14 AM	#7
pwelsh4hd Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2005 Location: Idaho Posts: 146	I assume this was out in the woods somewhere, since your buddy was taking an outdoor "deuce"......why kill it out there? It's out in its own realm, should just leave it alone. If it's getting a little to close for comfort with your home and you can't bear it, then I guess kill it if you feel the need to, but those in the wild should just be left alone to go about their business. __________________ "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem" - Ronald Reagan

August 22, 2009, 10:11 AM	#10
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,716	Reptile bearing of live young is called ovovivipary. It is also done by some fish and amphibians. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

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August 20, 2009, 11:44 PM	#2
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Just be careful handling dead vipers.... ... people have been bitten by post-mortem reflex; they can still inject venom, or a person can manage to stick themselves on the dead snake's fang(s) in just the right way to squeeze some venom through. At least, that's what the snake expert who used to come to our safety stand-downs at Whiting and Jax used to tell us.

August 20, 2009, 11:56 PM	#3
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	ML, Yeah we decided to wait a few hours as we were unsure... We were drinking "fruit shine" and waiting. when I opened the gut and the tumbled out I was in AWE Seriously... we caught it on cell phone pics but we are fighting getting to my POS puter to share the pics... Brent

August 21, 2009, 07:06 AM	#5
srt 10 jimbo Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2008 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 955	Old world vipers lay eggs (europe, Africa). Only venomous snake that lays eggs in the Americas are Coral snakes. Was reading in the paper today, a Guy In Hollywood Florida got bit by a Green Mamba, They got him to a Hospital and got the anti venin in him, so he's gonna be allright. Cant believe someone would keep one for a pet.

August 21, 2009, 08:16 AM	#6
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Impala... Yes it did... 'Cept she only had 10 total and the yolks were almost gone. Snakes were 10-12 inch and fully developed complete with a rattle "button" and it had what looked like a cover on it. I am guessing they were 24-48 hours away from birthing... Brent

August 21, 2009, 11:28 PM	#8
Fat White Boy Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2005 Posts: 1,276	Shouldn't this story have started with, "Here, hold my beer" or "Ya'll watch this ShXt..."

August 22, 2009, 11:08 AM	#11
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	Ovoviviparity Thanks for the new word Doublenoughtspy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovoviviparity

August 22, 2009, 04:19 PM	#12
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	pwelsh4hd, this was on a clearing job. The "pasture" we were working behind is actually a large (several acres) dog area. The snake was close enuff to be a possible risk in the future. I am not one to kill every snake I see but if it is a viper any where near where I may hunt with my dogs, their days are numbered. Brent