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August 16, 2013, 04:39 PM | #26 | |
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So, if this guy is truly practicing hard with each carry option he uses, he can certainly be effective with any or all of them; all that he has to do is be very aware of which mode he is carrying in at the time. |
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August 16, 2013, 05:37 PM | #27 |
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For the sake of simplicity for me I have two primary methods of concealed carry. In Wait Band, and pocket carry. There are some rare times that my pocket gun is in a belly band type holster IWB where my primary carry usualy is. It is in a place that is familiar for my mucle memory to work with.
Most times I carry two guns. If it is uber hot like it gets here in the summer with tripple digit heat, and high humidity then I only pocket carry. If someone else carries 7 guns 7 ways, on 7 different days. My hat is off to them.
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August 19, 2013, 04:13 PM | #28 |
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Women can have a variety of purses and shoes, and nobody says a thing. I see no problem with men wearing a variety of guns and holsters.
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August 20, 2013, 06:35 AM | #29 | |
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August 20, 2013, 01:31 PM | #30 |
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My guns all have one thing in common
No external safeties. Every single one of them can be drawn and fired without manipulation of an external safety. The following are the typical guns in my carry rotation.
Springfield XDS 9mm (has a grip safety but nothing to swipe) Glock 27 Gen 4 Glock 26 Gen 4 Glock 29 Gen 4 Glock 23 Gen 3 Ruger LCP Smith 642 I have Remora Holsters, Pocket Holsters, IWB holsters, kydex belt holsters, paddle holsters, and some holsters with retention devices. When I dress and pick my gun I spend about a 20 draws that morning to get me in the mindset of what I am carrying and how I am carrying it. I have trained with every combination I carry to include reloads with magazines, speed loaders, and speed strips. At the end of the day it comes down to training. I find the most difficult draw is on the small guns in pocket holsters. I will only use these with pants that allow an easy draw. My variety of sizes and types of guns allows me to carry something every day which I believe is the most important thing. Regards, Vermonter |
August 21, 2013, 07:42 PM | #31 |
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I usually carry two guns. Both XDMc.45. One at 9 one at 3, ish Iwb. Deeper conceal (hot weather) I may go to two XDs, same place. All work the same, mags interchange between the sets. I'd feel kinda dumb to have an extra mag but a broken gun if things went south.
On a very rare occasion I may substitute an LCP, but it goes in the same spot 95% of the yime. |
August 22, 2013, 06:08 AM | #32 |
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I on occasion carry two firearms at the same time. Usually its reserved for times of higher risk the most recent being the Zimmerman verdict.
Many folks feel that carrying two guns is over the top and they have a point. What are the odds of needing one gun? Now of those miniscule numbers who will need a gun, how many will have their gun break or have a catastrophic malfunction? The odds are awful low. That being said, I often find it comforting to have another gun. One to share perhaps or for access from a different position. |
August 23, 2013, 03:30 PM | #33 |
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Shoot, I don't even know which firearm I'm going to carry when I get up in the morning.
All I know for sure is I am going to carry. Somedays it's eenie meanie minie moe. One thing they have in common is they all operate with a simple pull of the trigger, no safeties to operate or slides to rack, and I carry them all at 4 o'clock position. Today it's a HK 45C.
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Different triggers? If so you cannot be as good as you could be if you carried the same gun or one of different size but the same trigger like the XD or glock.
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August 24, 2013, 12:19 PM | #35 |
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Agreed 100% with this. Consistent operation with the same trigger, triumphs changing them around. If you want to change around, train with the gun accordingly.
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August 24, 2013, 12:51 PM | #36 |
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Although most of my carry and home defense pistols are DA/SA because that is my preference, I don't see a real problem with carrying a different style of pistols as long as you stay familiar with them. Can any of you remember a single instance where you had a spoon in your hand and accidentally tried to use it as a fork? I know I know, high stress situation, adrenaline, yada yada, but honestly I see the whole thing kind of blown out of proportion. At one point in my life I was driving an old manual pickup truck, and just as often drove an automatic transmission 4 door sedan. Driving anywhere can be a high stress situation and often you have to react quickly. I cant remember ever forgetting to downshift or put the truck in neutral when braking when driving the manual truck. Before I sold my striker fired SR9C I alternated between that and a DA/SA Sig 232. My range is often empty so I get to practice high stress drills and quick draws. I cant remember a single instance where I drew one pistol and tried to operate it like the other. I'm not saying that there are no advantages to carrying the same type of pistol, but human beings are capable of some pretty spectacular things, and to say that they are not capable of operating two different styles of pistols under stress is short changing them.
Along the same lines of thought as the people who say not to carry different types of pistols, I guess it's not a good idea to carry a DA/SA pistol because of the transition from one type of trigger pull to the next. I guess Sig should convert all their pistols to stiker fired or SAO because we as human beings are not capable of handing the DA/SA transition. Like I said before, I think the whole thing is blown way out of proportion. Last edited by Dragline45; August 24, 2013 at 01:02 PM. |
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Most of my carry options consist of two designs, the 1911 and the Glock, not including my BUG. I never have issues knowing what to do as the two primaries feel completely different when drawn, and yes I practice dry-firing. The 1911 is automatic as to my thumb snicking off the safety, just as the Glock is automatic not reaching for one at all, pretty much by the feel of the weapon when drawing. But, they are both located in the same position, which I find most comfortable. I doubt I'd ever "switch it up" as to positions, now, though I must admit, I find Sevens' idea of this possibly being a ruse with empty guns intriguing.
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I never understood the logic behind knowing that keeping the different guns operational system similar is a good thing only to ignore the importance of having a consistent trigger pull. One that you have trained with extensively.
Someone use to the long smooth pull of a DA revolver suddenly forced to fight with a 1911 might let a round go early because they were use to the DA pull and got a short light one instead. I train to be as good as possible with my chosen carry gun. Becoming intimate with the guns feel, how it points, its trigger pull, all contribute to that quest. I feel its not possible to be equally as effective with multiple guns as it is with one gun, given the same practice time. Then you have the problem of that surprise attack that triggers your subconscious gun manipulation and trigger stroke. Which gun will your subconscious select when it signals your hand to start pulling the trigger? Hope its the gun of the week. |
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We know that something causes police to shoot really crappy under duress. Its not out of the realm of possibility for sa/da to be part of it. I would love to see stats on officer shooting with da/sa guns and those with sa or safe action triggers. |
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I have absolutely no problem transitioning from DA/SA. Out of the 16rds in my gun only one is DA, after that I have 15 consistent trigger pulls. Do you really think the transition from DA/SA is the difference between life and death? I mean seriously. Last edited by Dragline45; August 24, 2013 at 09:53 PM. |
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The SA/DA transition, is believed to cause a low/hi effect in impact points under stressful shooting situations. This happens with the first two shots, arguably the most important of a violent encounter. So we strive for consistency because it leads to speed and accuracy yet many break this by changing guns or holsters or carry locations daily. Taken to the extreme this quest for consistency is applied to trigger pull. You poke fun about it and thats fine. I'll stay with my consistent trigger and you keep that inconsistent one. You guys keep platooning your carry guns, I'll stay consistent. You guys keep rotating carry locations and holsters, I'll stay consistent. Will being consistent save my life in a life and death scenario, maybe. Will being consistent give me a better chance at survival, probably. Is consistency better than inconsistent, you betcha. |
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Example......I carry openly at work (not LE). I practice drawing from that holster every day. I'm pretty fast and consistent with that rig. The other day I was out in public carrying in a fanny pack. I was just relaxing when a lightning bolt struck very close causing a huge flash and giant boom almost instantly. My hand went for my work gun subconsciously. While I loved that reaction, it made glaringly obvious what those experts say about consistency. Without thinking I went for the gun I draw most. It also would have cost me a few 10ths if that lightening was a bad guy jumping out from behind a dumpster or something. Sure I would have recovered and if not already incapacitated put up a fight but it does speak well for being consistent. I would rather have those extra tenths than rotate my firearms for carry. |
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^ agreed, once again. Similar thing happened to me also.
I carry appendix style at work because I have to. I carry strong side 4:00 when IWB and 3:00 OWB. That transition from 4:00 in to 3:00 out isn't concerning. That's how I've trained mostly. Appendix? Not so much. Waiting on a better holster from www.phlster.com I purchased the "skeleton". |
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My CCW is always in the same place no matter which one I'm carrying and all my holsters have the FBI tilt.
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Still upon being startled I reverted to the most practiced position. This is why I believe that changing guns is a problem. Same position and cant is awesome but different grips and triggers is not. I love my other guns as well but its not worth giving up any advantage to my adversary. |
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Zero transitioning is very comforting knowing exactly where my handgun is at all times. And like I said before, they all operate in a similar fashion.
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I don't think its the smartest thing in the world to constantly change up your gear but its hardly a crisis. I would say that to the degree that its necessary due to season, weather, dress, then sure- but to wear a different weapon several days a week just seems very undisciplined.
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