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davlandrum · August 19, 2008, 01:16 PM

Hey Tamara,

Like you have nothing better to do....Maybe do a sticky that explains C&R for us poor, uneducated ones.

I kinda thought I had an idea, but looking at the picture thread, I realized I had not a clue.

Is there some magic list somewhere of guns that are considered C&R?

HKuser · August 19, 2008, 01:29 PM

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Is there some magic list somewhere of guns that are considered C&R?

Yup: C&R list

davlandrum · August 19, 2008, 02:18 PM

Thanks!

I had it in my head it was a lot simpler than that monster list!

Tamara · August 19, 2008, 03:09 PM

I'll be ginning up a "stickie" in the next week or two with whys and wherefores and a couple of FAQs. Basically as you can guess from the link HKUser thoughtfully provided (thanks!), the list is divided into two parts: "Relics" are firearms over 50 years old, and "Curios" are firearms newer than the 50 year cutoff date but are deemed to have special collector interest and are added to the list by collector petition of the BATFE.

An example of the latter would be the S&W Model 544, which was made in 1986, but is on the list as a "Curio".

davlandrum · August 19, 2008, 03:21 PM

Nice!

Thanks for the knowledge.

jsmaye · August 20, 2008, 08:25 AM

...maybe a simple paragraph stating the advantages/disadvantages/potential "gotcha's" of buying, collecting, and selling with a C&R. For instance, I know it will allow a qualifying firearm to be shipped directly without all the FFL transfer fee nonsense, but what else?

Technosavant · August 20, 2008, 10:03 AM

Federally, a 03 FFL (Curio & Relic) allows you to build a collection of qualifying firearms through interstate commerce without relying on 01 FFLs (Dealers).

In other words, if I want a C&R gun, I can buy it and have it sent right to my house.

Generally, it is more to facilitate buying than selling- you still are not allowed to sell for profit (this can be nebulous, but so long as you aren't buying and then selling a bunch of guns in a short time you'll be OK) or transfer guns for others (no buying C&R guns for buddies). Sometimes if you are buying locally, a dealer will make you fill out a 4473 instead of accepting a copy of your FFL (the transaction can be handled as a transfer between FFLs, not as a sale to a regular Joe); this is dependent on the policy of the dealers themselves. Not all of them like the fact that we can cut out the middleman on the milsurps. The C&R FFL is of most benefit when buying from distributors and taking delivery at home, since you can get those guns for the same prices as the 01 FFLs.

Unofficially (the ATF has nothing to do with this), you can be considered a "dealer" by certain accessory retailers (like Brownells and Midway USA), so you can take advantage of dealer pricing. But that is more a side benefit than anything else.

August 19, 2008, 01:16 PM	#1
davlandrum Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Lane County Oregon Posts: 2,547	Suggestion Hey Tamara, Like you have nothing better to do....Maybe do a sticky that explains C&R for us poor, uneducated ones. I kinda thought I had an idea, but looking at the picture thread, I realized I had not a clue. Is there some magic list somewhere of guns that are considered C&R? __________________ U.S Army, Retired Ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do. -Potter Stewart

August 19, 2008, 02:18 PM	#3
davlandrum Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Lane County Oregon Posts: 2,547	Thanks! I had it in my head it was a lot simpler than that monster list! __________________ U.S Army, Retired Ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do. -Potter Stewart

August 19, 2008, 03:09 PM	#4
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	I'll be ginning up a "stickie" in the next week or two with whys and wherefores and a couple of FAQs. Basically as you can guess from the link HKUser thoughtfully provided (thanks!), the list is divided into two parts: "Relics" are firearms over 50 years old, and "Curios" are firearms newer than the 50 year cutoff date but are deemed to have special collector interest and are added to the list by collector petition of the BATFE. An example of the latter would be the S&W Model 544, which was made in 1986, but is on the list as a "Curio". __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

August 19, 2008, 03:21 PM	#5
davlandrum Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Lane County Oregon Posts: 2,547	Nice! Thanks for the knowledge. __________________ U.S Army, Retired Ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do. -Potter Stewart

August 20, 2008, 08:25 AM	#6
jsmaye Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2008 Location: Amarillo, Tx Posts: 616	In addition to a C&R list... ...maybe a simple paragraph stating the advantages/disadvantages/potential "gotcha's" of buying, collecting, and selling with a C&R. For instance, I know it will allow a qualifying firearm to be shipped directly without all the FFL transfer fee nonsense, but what else?

August 20, 2008, 10:03 AM	#7
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 4,040	Federally, a 03 FFL (Curio & Relic) allows you to build a collection of qualifying firearms through interstate commerce without relying on 01 FFLs (Dealers). In other words, if I want a C&R gun, I can buy it and have it sent right to my house. Generally, it is more to facilitate buying than selling- you still are not allowed to sell for profit (this can be nebulous, but so long as you aren't buying and then selling a bunch of guns in a short time you'll be OK) or transfer guns for others (no buying C&R guns for buddies). Sometimes if you are buying locally, a dealer will make you fill out a 4473 instead of accepting a copy of your FFL (the transaction can be handled as a transfer between FFLs, not as a sale to a regular Joe); this is dependent on the policy of the dealers themselves. Not all of them like the fact that we can cut out the middleman on the milsurps. The C&R FFL is of most benefit when buying from distributors and taking delivery at home, since you can get those guns for the same prices as the 01 FFLs. Unofficially (the ATF has nothing to do with this), you can be considered a "dealer" by certain accessory retailers (like Brownells and Midway USA), so you can take advantage of dealer pricing. But that is more a side benefit than anything else.