Clays in 9mm

hodaka · January 21, 2008, 08:06 PM

Are any of you using this combination? I just ran out of 231 and have some Clays that I bought for a reason I cannot remember. I see loads listed on Hodgdens website. I mostly shoot a P7M8 with 124 gr. JHP's from Remington but I also have some 115gr Rainiers.

The Lovemaster · January 21, 2008, 09:19 PM

Buddy of mine uses Universal Clays in 9mm and says it's the most accurate load he's found yet for that caliber.

bobfxd · January 22, 2008, 07:43 AM

I use 3.0grs Clays with 124gr Berrys HP.

DMZX · January 22, 2008, 11:28 AM

Universal is a great powder for 9mm. I use it in combo with 115 gr and 124 gr XTP's.

dwhite · January 22, 2008, 02:40 PM

Hodaka,

Do you have regular Clays, or UNIVERSAL Clays? Makes a big difference.

Regular Clays is very fast burning. Universal Clays is much slower.

Don't confuse your data. If you load Universal Clays to a regular Clays charge weight you'll get an underpowered load. If you load regular Clays to a Universal Clays charge weight, you'll get shrapnel.

All the Best,
D. White

T191032 · January 22, 2008, 04:16 PM

Yes, I did recently. 3.1gr Clays *Not* Universal, but "Clays" under a Meister 115 LRN bullet. Fifty shots later I was pleased, as it was my first 50 (finally) assembled.
Deprime/resize 2000+ 9mm cases on a single stage press, and life steps in between times... LOL

Do you reload shotshells? Clays is good for that too I understand... (trying to help jog memory of why ya bought it) Price?

schmellba99 · January 22, 2008, 07:13 PM

I recently loaded up 500 9mm with Universal Clays. I really liked the combination. Accuracy was great, the recoil was negligible. Overall, I think it's my favorite 9mm load.

115gr LRN (moly coated)
4.5gr H Universal Clays
Win/Federal Primers

Great load for 9's.

hodaka · January 22, 2008, 07:51 PM

Why did they make the names so confusing? Universal Unique, not. Universal Titegroup, not. The stuff I have is Clays. I'm going to use 3.2 grains and I'll let you know how it works. I remember buying it because someone said it was very clean burning and I was tired of cleaning up after Unique and 231.

eerw · January 22, 2008, 09:25 PM

Universal Clays is pretty nice in the 9mm with 124-125 gr bullets..
regular clays is pretty good..but you really got to watch it..it gets to high pressure pretty fast..look for sign on the primer as you building your loads..

T191032 · January 24, 2008, 09:43 PM

Hodgdon minimum under a 115 LRN is 3.0gr, and max is 3.4gr. My book (Hodgdon "Magazine" 2006 Annual) doesn't show 124gr but does 125gr. FMJ. I went with 3.1 to keep low on pressure.

45Marlin carbine · January 25, 2008, 08:50 AM

any of you fellas have an idea how these loads (and maybe hotter loadings) with this 'clays' powder will perform in a carbine-length barrel? I've loaded Bullseye (not the best likely) and PowerPistol (good AFAIK) and open to opinions based (hopefully) on experience. I loaded some 452(Win. no longer makes) loads for my .45 carbine with great results, clean burning and seems hard-hitting. I don't own a chrono so I can't study velocitys, but have read enough to figure that a slower-burn rate powder may be better for a carbine barrel chambered for straight-wall pistol round.

January 21, 2008, 08:06 PM	#1
hodaka Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,010	Clays in 9mm Are any of you using this combination? I just ran out of 231 and have some Clays that I bought for a reason I cannot remember. I see loads listed on Hodgdens website. I mostly shoot a P7M8 with 124 gr. JHP's from Remington but I also have some 115gr Rainiers.

January 22, 2008, 02:40 PM	#5
dwhite Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2007 Location: Wake County, N. Carolina Posts: 379	Which Clays Hodaka, Do you have regular Clays, or UNIVERSAL Clays? Makes a big difference. Regular Clays is very fast burning. Universal Clays is much slower. Don't confuse your data. If you load Universal Clays to a regular Clays charge weight you'll get an underpowered load. If you load regular Clays to a Universal Clays charge weight, you'll get shrapnel. All the Best, D. White

January 22, 2008, 04:16 PM	#6
T191032 Member Join Date: January 22, 2008 Location: Shenandoah Valley of VA Posts: 87	I did Hodaka... Yes, I did recently. 3.1gr Clays Not Universal, but "Clays" under a Meister 115 LRN bullet. Fifty shots later I was pleased, as it was my first 50 (finally) assembled. Deprime/resize 2000+ 9mm cases on a single stage press, and life steps in between times... LOL Do you reload shotshells? Clays is good for that too I understand... (trying to help jog memory of why ya bought it) Price?

January 22, 2008, 07:51 PM	#8
hodaka Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,010	Clays Why did they make the names so confusing? Universal Unique, not. Universal Titegroup, not. The stuff I have is Clays. I'm going to use 3.2 grains and I'll let you know how it works. I remember buying it because someone said it was very clean burning and I was tired of cleaning up after Unique and 231.

January 21, 2008, 09:19 PM	#2
The Lovemaster Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 416	Buddy of mine uses Universal Clays in 9mm and says it's the most accurate load he's found yet for that caliber.

January 22, 2008, 07:43 AM	#3
bobfxd Member Join Date: October 11, 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 32	I use 3.0grs Clays with 124gr Berrys HP.

January 22, 2008, 11:28 AM	#4
DMZX Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2007 Location: E. Oregon Posts: 563	Universal is a great powder for 9mm. I use it in combo with 115 gr and 124 gr XTP's.

January 22, 2008, 07:13 PM	#7
schmellba99 Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 803	I recently loaded up 500 9mm with Universal Clays. I really liked the combination. Accuracy was great, the recoil was negligible. Overall, I think it's my favorite 9mm load. 115gr LRN (moly coated) 4.5gr H Universal Clays Win/Federal Primers Great load for 9's.

January 22, 2008, 09:25 PM	#9
eerw Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2001 Posts: 395	Universal Clays is pretty nice in the 9mm with 124-125 gr bullets.. regular clays is pretty good..but you really got to watch it..it gets to high pressure pretty fast..look for sign on the primer as you building your loads..

January 24, 2008, 09:43 PM	#10
T191032 Member Join Date: January 22, 2008 Location: Shenandoah Valley of VA Posts: 87	Hodgdon minimum under a 115 LRN is 3.0gr, and max is 3.4gr. My book (Hodgdon "Magazine" 2006 Annual) doesn't show 124gr but does 125gr. FMJ. I went with 3.1 to keep low on pressure.

January 25, 2008, 08:50 AM	#11
45Marlin carbine Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2007 Location: South-Western North Carolina Posts: 1,124	any of you fellas have an idea how these loads (and maybe hotter loadings) with this 'clays' powder will perform in a carbine-length barrel? I've loaded Bullseye (not the best likely) and PowerPistol (good AFAIK) and open to opinions based (hopefully) on experience. I loaded some 452(Win. no longer makes) loads for my .45 carbine with great results, clean burning and seems hard-hitting. I don't own a chrono so I can't study velocitys, but have read enough to figure that a slower-burn rate powder may be better for a carbine barrel chambered for straight-wall pistol round.