Mosin Nagant

Glaiber · October 9, 2009, 10:37 PM

Is the mosin nagant accurate weapon for WW2 and what is the most accurate or best type of mosin nagant(M44, 91/30, ect)

chris in va · October 10, 2009, 08:35 AM

I'm no expert on the Mosin, but I do have an M38 'carbine' and in no way is that thing accurate. The only one I'm aware of that had any sort of accuracy was the genuine 'sniper' version with the factory scope, but those are few and far between. There's lots of fake snipers floating around where someone stuck a scope on a 91/30 and jacked up the price.

The other guys can comment further.

Rangefinder · October 10, 2009, 09:52 AM

^^ Says it pretty well. There are a LOT of factors that are coming into play. They were made in several places for many decades, resulting in millions of rifles of varying quality. Mine is a 91/30 1938 Isz that I think I lucked out on. It hits pretty tight. But it's all luck of the draw. The one off the production line right before or after might not hit the broad side of a barn---from inside.

robmkivseries70 · October 10, 2009, 10:51 AM

An almost sure bet is the M39, built from captured receivers by Finland. They cost more but are worth it. Many of the Soviet Block weapons were stored with the action screws loose, any new owner, after removing the cosmoline, should check the action screws as well.
Best,
Rob

Glaiber · October 10, 2009, 11:19 AM

I am actually considering a Finnish M44

raindog · October 10, 2009, 12:27 PM

"Cost more" for a Finn M39 is an understatement - try 3x ;-) Typical M-N is $80-100. Finn is $250-300.

"No way accurate" is a bit of an overstatement. You are not going to shoot 1MOA with one, true. Then again, you won't with a military-issue M16, either. However, 3-4" at 100Y is common with run-of-the-mill M-Ns, and perhaps a little better with good ones.

So many variables - how is the rifling? How is the crown? Are you will to modify it or do you want to keep it in the original issue? If you want to modify, then the trigger would be a place to start - as issued, they're pretty stiff. Glass bedding or free floating would help (historically, the Finns sometimes free floated). Also, what ammo?

The best resource on the net for the M-N is http://7.62x54r.net/

grymster2007 · October 10, 2009, 12:42 PM

I don't know what the most accurate or best type of Mosin Nagant there is, but this guy's post made me realize that those things are beside the point anyway.

How to shoot a Mosin

raindog · October 10, 2009, 12:59 PM

I think I may be ill.

RNB65 · October 10, 2009, 01:13 PM

I have a 1942 manufacture 91/30 and it will shoot softball size groups at 100yds all day long. Plenty accurate for a infantry rifle of the times. It's all in the luck of the draw when buying a 60 year old milsurp.

The Finnish Mosins are the most accurate but are pricey. That should be your choice if you want accuracy.

SigP6Carry · October 10, 2009, 02:03 PM

I got a 42 Round reciever, I shoot about the same as RNB off hand when I take the time to breathe properly. All of the Mosins are accurate, and if yours isn't, check your gun out: somethings wrong with it. I've been interested to see if the bayonet would change the POI, but the Bayonet included with mine doesn't fit it... too bad. But I've heard that on some Mosins, they're designed to be fired with the bayonet and are sighted in with the bayonet deployed.

grymster2007 · October 10, 2009, 02:59 PM

I understand that they sometimes simply drilled out a portion of the end of the rifling and that often improve accuracy.

.300 Weatherby Mag · October 10, 2009, 03:26 PM

Look at the mosins built by Remington and Westinghouse for WW1 and any of the finnish variants... These tend to be the most accurate in my experience.. My m91 built by Remington in 1917 will shoot moa if I do everything right with the wolf 148fmj ammo. 1.5-2 Moa is normal with mine...

October 9, 2009, 10:37 PM	#1
Glaiber Junior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Posts: 2	Mosin Nagant Is the mosin nagant accurate weapon for WW2 and what is the most accurate or best type of mosin nagant(M44, 91/30, ect)

October 10, 2009, 09:52 AM	#3
Rangefinder Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2005 Posts: 2,017	^^ Says it pretty well. There are a LOT of factors that are coming into play. They were made in several places for many decades, resulting in millions of rifles of varying quality. Mine is a 91/30 1938 Isz that I think I lucked out on. It hits pretty tight. But it's all luck of the draw. The one off the production line right before or after might not hit the broad side of a barn---from inside. __________________ "Why is is called Common Sense when it seems so few actually possess it?" Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.

October 10, 2009, 12:42 PM	#7
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	I don't know what the most accurate or best type of Mosin Nagant there is, but this guy's post made me realize that those things are beside the point anyway. How to shoot a Mosin __________________ grym

October 10, 2009, 01:13 PM	#9
RNB65 Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 167	I have a 1942 manufacture 91/30 and it will shoot softball size groups at 100yds all day long. Plenty accurate for a infantry rifle of the times. It's all in the luck of the draw when buying a 60 year old milsurp. The Finnish Mosins are the most accurate but are pricey. That should be your choice if you want accuracy. __________________ THR refugee. Last edited by RNB65; October 10, 2009 at 02:29 PM.

October 10, 2009, 02:03 PM	#10
SigP6Carry Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1,086	I got a 42 Round reciever, I shoot about the same as RNB off hand when I take the time to breathe properly. All of the Mosins are accurate, and if yours isn't, check your gun out: somethings wrong with it. I've been interested to see if the bayonet would change the POI, but the Bayonet included with mine doesn't fit it... too bad. But I've heard that on some Mosins, they're designed to be fired with the bayonet and are sighted in with the bayonet deployed. __________________ -liberal gun nut = exception to the rule- -1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes- -Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?-

October 10, 2009, 08:35 AM	#2
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	I'm no expert on the Mosin, but I do have an M38 'carbine' and in no way is that thing accurate. The only one I'm aware of that had any sort of accuracy was the genuine 'sniper' version with the factory scope, but those are few and far between. There's lots of fake snipers floating around where someone stuck a scope on a 91/30 and jacked up the price. The other guys can comment further.

October 10, 2009, 10:51 AM	#4
robmkivseries70 Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2005 Location: free territory Posts: 203	An almost sure bet is the M39, built from captured receivers by Finland. They cost more but are worth it. Many of the Soviet Block weapons were stored with the action screws loose, any new owner, after removing the cosmoline, should check the action screws as well. Best, Rob

October 10, 2009, 11:19 AM	#5
Glaiber Junior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Posts: 2	I am actually considering a Finnish M44

October 10, 2009, 12:27 PM	#6
raindog Member Join Date: August 29, 2009 Posts: 69	"Cost more" for a Finn M39 is an understatement - try 3x ;-) Typical M-N is $80-100. Finn is $250-300. "No way accurate" is a bit of an overstatement. You are not going to shoot 1MOA with one, true. Then again, you won't with a military-issue M16, either. However, 3-4" at 100Y is common with run-of-the-mill M-Ns, and perhaps a little better with good ones. So many variables - how is the rifling? How is the crown? Are you will to modify it or do you want to keep it in the original issue? If you want to modify, then the trigger would be a place to start - as issued, they're pretty stiff. Glass bedding or free floating would help (historically, the Finns sometimes free floated). Also, what ammo? The best resource on the net for the M-N is http://7.62x54r.net/

October 10, 2009, 12:59 PM	#8
raindog Member Join Date: August 29, 2009 Posts: 69	I think I may be ill.

October 10, 2009, 02:59 PM	#11
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	I understand that they sometimes simply drilled out a portion of the end of the rifling and that often improve accuracy. __________________ grym

October 10, 2009, 03:26 PM	#12
.300 Weatherby Mag Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 1,777	Look at the mosins built by Remington and Westinghouse for WW1 and any of the finnish variants... These tend to be the most accurate in my experience.. My m91 built by Remington in 1917 will shoot moa if I do everything right with the wolf 148fmj ammo. 1.5-2 Moa is normal with mine...