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April 2, 2009, 05:39 PM | #26 |
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I bought an 1858 from Cabela's that was terrible. Casting voids and just generally poor work. Obviously has slipped past the quality control folks. I called them and their response was "Send it back. We will send out a new one with no charge for shipping and a credit for your shipping back to us."
I did and got a perfect one in 3 days. I have bought several from them since. |
April 2, 2009, 08:44 PM | #27 |
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to the OP- the full frame Remington pattern is the strongest "original" BP gun- along with the modern pattern Ruger Old Army which is really a modern 20th century black powder gun. I've had zero problems with my Remington, and it was a "kit" Navy Arms gun I bought at Kmart back in 1981, for only $85 ! I took it out 2 weeks ago, and shot it until I ran out of lead bullets- and was topping the chambers off with Pyrodex, then packing the ball in until it was below the cylinder rim. It kicked like a mule, shot accurated, yet that doesn't even phase it, that's just how strong the Remington design is.
By comparison, the Colt open top, I've pulled the cylinder pin out of the frame on (2) of those 1851 Navy brass frame guns- and that was using the recommended mild loadings- and had to buy (2) new steel frames to fix both guns. By all means, do NOT get a brass frame gun, if you want to shoot it a lot. If you do get a Colt pattern, get a steel frame. Weaknesses of the Colt- they seem to jam quicker from black powder fouling than the Remington. Actually the Remington never jams, it gets a little tight after a while from fouling, but keeps going. The Colts eventually stop firing because the cylinder jams from blackpowder fouling, and need to be cleaned. The wedges on the Colt guns tend to bend/wear with heavy use, and then the guns develop a lot of cylinder-to-barrel clearance. My "fix" was, make my own wedge from hardened forged steel- custom filed to fit and hold the gun together tightly- that fixed it. (for now) One big advantage of the Colt- they are beautiful, graceful looking guns ! They definitely have the edge over the Remington in the looks dept. The open top design is very pleasing to the eye. The Colts also have a smoother hammer action/cocking and better trigger pull, and more comfortable grips, esp. the 1851/1861 Navy design grips. In the end, the Remington is stronger and more reliable, the Colt better looking/better balanced/handling. If you want the best of both worlds, get an 1873 Uberti blackpowder Colt Peacemaker cap/ball gun. It's basically a Peacemaker that is converted to cap/ball. |
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April 2, 2009, 08:53 PM | #29 |
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I also have several pietta's not a bad one in the bunch,also a few uberti's again all nice guns. As far as I can remember I've only ever had 1 real pos and it was a very old Lyman I bought at a department store back in the late 70's but I was young and did'nt know much back then,and I still thought that it was the coolest thing ever!I actualy shot that thing to pieces.Been hooked ever since.
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I havent shot Remington repos in a number of years; but seen to remember removing the cylinder, wiping it and the cylinder pin down and adding lube every couple stages to keep it running. OK Hawg - Your turn. +1 to Mykeal and MCBs comments also.
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April 3, 2009, 01:17 AM | #33 |
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The Colt/Rem statement is debatable...but what did Colt do in 1873 at the request of the Federal Gov?
And how many Open Top Cartridge Guns does Colt or anyone make today...actually the full frame design is more resilient ... and that lil' arbor lock pin don't snap nor the weld crack or break... in it's day and with C&B they were surely close... "Sometimes your the Bug sometimes the Windshield"
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April 3, 2009, 05:11 AM | #35 |
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I'd like to comment on Cabela's customer service, OUTSTANDING. I'm a picky guy, I admit it, and buying anything mail order is a gamble so I avoid it if possible. However if I can't "I pays my money and takes my chances" like everyone else. Cabela's has done right by me on more than one occasion.
I wish they would carry Uberti along with the Pietta line. I have both and think their both great guns. I don't care for all that stamping on the Pietta barrels and am willing to pay a little more for the Uberti not to have it staring me in the face :barf: The Walker that Cabela's carries is a Uberti the rest I believe are Piettas. That said I think the Pietta case colors are better.
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William Mason had started working on the SAA in 1871 (which Colt initially called the New Model Army Metallic Cartridge Revolving Pistol). and placed samples in the hands of the Army Ordinance Department in Nov 1872. Smith and Wesson and Colt were the only companies that had revolvers that were tested & Colt won an initial contract for 8,000 pistols in 1873
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(Made 8,000 Colt 1873 SAA full framed Revolvers...) Right?
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They submitted pistols for testing. Fed gov't did not specify solid frame. Smith & Wesson submitted the break top American.
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Hell I thought I even may have used full frame with the SAA (maybe not)... your wording solid sorta hits the mark even better... 8O)
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I wonder about some of the Italian repro wedges and wedge slots in the frame - the exit slot on my 1860 .44 (Pietta) peened out when I drove the wedge in too far. The wedge screw has no contact at all with this wedge. Even so, should the metal have peened out from the wedge? I don't think that would have happened on an original. |
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Peening, you say?
Welcome to the consumer-unfriendly world of (non-hardened) Italian steel. |
April 5, 2009, 04:39 PM | #44 |
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It's still a great gun. It was my first, I did some stupid things to it, but now we understand each other - I don't drive the wedge in too far and it doesn't peen.
I think older, used guns are the best values. You can get some good deals on guns (Piettas, Ubertis, ASM, even FIE) that have most of the bugs worked out. |
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Most of the Colts I`ve bought used have had the bugs still in them and the scars of someones Idea of getting the wedge out with the ..........I need a bigger hammer frame of mind ..............They must have felt the same way about putting the wedge back in ...both sides were scared up pretty bad .......Lucky for me the Italian steel is soft enough the dings would sand out by hand with little effort ............
I use to try and warn newbies to make their first experience a 1858 Remington and then move up to the Colt open top ......... But there are some folks that say ...sure buy that sexy open top ...you can handle it !.....it isn`t rocket science ! So now I say go for it ! might be another cheap deal for me when I get the one I`m working on finished .... Last edited by sundance44s; April 5, 2009 at 05:27 PM. |
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I use the rim of .38 speciial brass to get my wedge out. Lay rim going the same direction of the wedge and a light tap with my knife handle gets it out. I have tried several different ways and this works the best for me. Being brass it doesn't scratch the gun.
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I have 14 BP firearms , this is the third one from Cabela.
About two years old and dead on accurate. (I am 60 and now prefer stainless as it gives me more cleaning time). I have bought two here and never a problem. I do make my own BP and make my holsters as you can see(easy and a good complement to the hobby) This as you can see is a new army 58, 8 inch. Cabelas is excellent , I ordered 1000 primers and they sent 10's instead of 11's No problem , they sent 1000 11's no charge! no i don't work for them. If you should need advice on making your own BP or a holster email me. |
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They took it back and credited me return shipping (about a dollar more than it actually cost), no questions asked. Midway is excellent as well. |
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April 5, 2009, 09:55 PM | #49 |
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Why the do the Italian's make copies of American BP Revolvers Why the hell doesn't somebody start a company in America and start making them out of American steel
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April 5, 2009, 10:06 PM | #50 |
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Go right ahead. Nobody's stopping you.
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