Corps chooses 9mm over .45

Cyanide971 · October 1, 2016, 01:54 PM

Didn't see this posted yet so figured I would share it with y'all. Looks like it is finally official, and will ease the argument concerning MARSOC's use of the two calibers.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/art...cial-operators

g.willikers · October 1, 2016, 03:25 PM

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fire arms experts remain unable to arrive at a consensus on lube.

They also are unable to arrive at a consensus as to what makes a fire arms expert.
Now they are changing equipment yet once again, if Trump wins the election, is there any chance the old stuff will be sold on the surplus market?
(Picture a slobbery dog with his tongue hanging out).

lee n. field · October 1, 2016, 03:25 PM

Saw it on the BookFace.

My comment would be "so?". Their reasons (economy, logistics, and the fact that for them this is a "secondary weapon") do not apply to my personal choices.

turtlehead · October 1, 2016, 09:16 PM

So glad we can finally put this to bed.

michael t · October 1, 2016, 09:39 PM

It might be in bed now. But you can be sure it will get up and start all over again.

turtlehead · October 1, 2016, 11:33 PM

When all is said and done, more will be said...

SaxonPig · October 2, 2016, 07:54 AM

I suspect the decision was mostly based on logistics and weight. The 9 ammo is in inventory and is shared by NATO allies. Also, troops grumble about the weight they carry (a legitimate complaint) and more rounds of 9 can be carried for the same weight as much fewer rounds of 45.

Hunter Customs · October 2, 2016, 08:58 AM

As a CCW instructor the question I was ask many, many times was, "what caliber of handgun should I use"?

My answer to that was use what you shoot best, misses are misses no mater what caliber.

It's what between your ears that will have the most bearing on winning a gun fight.

Yes I love my 45's and that's what I carry 98 percent of the time, I also shoot them well.

Best Regards
Bob Hunter

BarryLee · October 2, 2016, 09:04 AM

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I suspect the decision was mostly based on logistics and weight

I suspect cost also played a role in the decision.

Sarge · October 2, 2016, 09:38 AM

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Even though the .45-caliber cartridge has more propellant, the 9mm round usually has more penetrating power because the smaller round faces less air resistance on its nose as it files through the air, said Neil Clapperton, a firearms and forensic expert with the Rhode Island State Crime Laboratory.

LMAO

g.willikers · October 2, 2016, 10:14 AM

Never can be sure if that's what the "expert" actually said or what the "journalist" thought he said after not understanding a word of it and misinterpreting it all.
Kind normal these days.

Strafer Gott · October 2, 2016, 10:27 AM

Maybe the journalist doesn't speak "tech blab". Heh.

Jim Watson · October 2, 2016, 11:08 AM

Have to agree with SaxonPig.
The Glock is lighter, cheaper, simpler, and takes NATO spec ammo.

The only downside is that the C.O. won't feel like his outfit is quite as Elite.

T. O'Heir · October 2, 2016, 11:55 AM

That's most likely because they were told to. Nobody else uses .45 ACP. The 9mm is the NATO Standard. Which is why ya'll got the Berretta in the first place. Although the actual choice of pistol was entirely political.
Same silly arguments have been argued about every firearm ever adopted by every military everywhere. They're chosen for political reasons and have been since W.W. II.
"...for them this is a "secondary weapon"..." Is for everybody else too.
"...a firearms and forensic expert..." Things must be different in RI.

pnac · October 2, 2016, 12:24 PM

They misspelled "expert" in this case. Try "ex spurt".

Or maybe there is no such thing as ex spurts, just former spurts.

seeker_two · October 2, 2016, 03:07 PM

Well..as long as they choose a pistol and caliber that all the Internet gun experts agree on, they should be well-armed.....

manta49 · October 2, 2016, 03:19 PM

It could be that they have released what most of the worlds military and police released years ago that the 9MM is a better all round caliber.

rocket12 · October 2, 2016, 03:56 PM

an ex is a has been and a pert is a drip under pressure

SocialAnarchist · October 2, 2016, 08:30 PM

For me personally, choosing a pistol, I care about as much what the Marines chose as I do what the FBI chose. Which by the way is, I don't care at all what they chose.

Model12Win · October 2, 2016, 09:23 PM

But don't the Marines still use the M45A1 CQBP M1911A1 variant?

Old Bill Dibble · October 2, 2016, 09:39 PM

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The arguments boil down to this: The .45-caliber round is the bigger bullet, so it has the “knock down power” to neutralize any adversary with one shot; while pistols that fire 9mm rounds are generally more accurate

Do tell how 9mm pistols are more accurate than 45ACP pistols.....

I mean really, if they found this out in their research it could really lay rest to these internet caliber debates.

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The .45-caliber round is also more expensive than its 9mm counterpart, Clapperton said. For all of these reasons, the FBI is moving from Smith & Wesson .40-caliber pistols back to 9mm handguns

Ok so because .45ACP costs more (and is apparently less accurate) than 9mm the FBI is switching from 40S&W to 9mm? wait wut?

**Mike Irwin** · October 3, 2016, 06:28 AM

BUTBUTBUTBUTBUT...

.45! John Moses Browning! 'Murica! Lazor Beem of Splooshy Deth!

This is a dark day in America's history...

45_auto · October 3, 2016, 08:14 AM

Not the first time the military has gone to a .38 (9mm).

It'll be interesting to see how long it takes them to correct it this time.

propforce · October 3, 2016, 08:34 AM

9mm has a softer recoil so any wuss in the Marine Corp special forces can use it

jmr40 · October 3, 2016, 09:05 AM

It's about time. The Army proved in 1946 that the 9mm was the better round. Despite the legend both the 45 and 1911 were viewed as lacking after both WW-1 and WW-2 and by 1946 the Army wanted to dump both. The only reason it didn't happen 70 years ago was due to a huge supply of perfectly good 1911 handguns and no urgency, or budget, to replace them.

October 1, 2016, 01:54 PM	#1
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	Corps chooses 9mm over .45 Didn't see this posted yet so figured I would share it with y'all. Looks like it is finally official, and will ease the argument concerning MARSOC's use of the two calibers. https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/art...cial-operators

October 1, 2016, 03:25 PM	#3
lee n. field Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2002 Location: The same state as Mordor. Posts: 5,569	Saw it on the BookFace. My comment would be "so?". Their reasons (economy, logistics, and the fact that for them this is a "secondary weapon") do not apply to my personal choices. __________________ "As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. "

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October 2, 2016, 10:14 AM	#11
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Never can be sure if that's what the "expert" actually said or what the "journalist" thought he said after not understanding a word of it and misinterpreting it all. Kind normal these days. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

October 2, 2016, 11:55 AM	#14
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	That's most likely because they were told to. Nobody else uses .45 ACP. The 9mm is the NATO Standard. Which is why ya'll got the Berretta in the first place. Although the actual choice of pistol was entirely political. Same silly arguments have been argued about every firearm ever adopted by every military everywhere. They're chosen for political reasons and have been since W.W. II. "...for them this is a "secondary weapon"..." Is for everybody else too. "...a firearms and forensic expert..." Things must be different in RI. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

October 1, 2016, 09:16 PM	#4
turtlehead Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2015 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,203	So glad we can finally put this to bed.

October 1, 2016, 11:33 PM	#6
turtlehead Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2015 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,203	When all is said and done, more will be said...

October 2, 2016, 07:54 AM	#7
SaxonPig Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2006 Posts: 1,900	I suspect the decision was mostly based on logistics and weight. The 9 ammo is in inventory and is shared by NATO allies. Also, troops grumble about the weight they carry (a legitimate complaint) and more rounds of 9 can be carried for the same weight as much fewer rounds of 45.

October 2, 2016, 08:58 AM	#8
Hunter Customs Senior Member Join Date: March 26, 2005 Location: Osborn, Missouri Posts: 2,697	As a CCW instructor the question I was ask many, many times was, "what caliber of handgun should I use"? My answer to that was use what you shoot best, misses are misses no mater what caliber. It's what between your ears that will have the most bearing on winning a gun fight. Yes I love my 45's and that's what I carry 98 percent of the time, I also shoot them well. Best Regards Bob Hunter

October 2, 2016, 10:27 AM	#12
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	Maybe the journalist doesn't speak "tech blab". Heh.

October 2, 2016, 11:08 AM	#13
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Have to agree with SaxonPig. The Glock is lighter, cheaper, simpler, and takes NATO spec ammo. The only downside is that the C.O. won't feel like his outfit is quite as Elite.

October 2, 2016, 12:24 PM	#15
pnac Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2008 Posts: 550	They misspelled "expert" in this case. Try "ex spurt". Or maybe there is no such thing as ex spurts, just former spurts. __________________ In my hour of darkness In my time of need Oh Lord grant me vision Oh Lord grant me speed - Gram Parsons

October 2, 2016, 03:07 PM	#16
seeker_two Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2002 Location: Deep in the Heart of the Lone Star State (TX) Posts: 2,169	Well..as long as they choose a pistol and caliber that all the Internet gun experts agree on, they should be well-armed.....

October 2, 2016, 03:19 PM	#17
manta49 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Location: N Ireland. UK. Posts: 1,809	It could be that they have released what most of the worlds military and police released years ago that the 9MM is a better all round caliber.

October 2, 2016, 03:56 PM	#18
rocket12 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2005 Location: ohio Posts: 148	an ex is a has been and a pert is a drip under pressure

October 2, 2016, 08:30 PM	#19
SocialAnarchist Junior member Join Date: April 16, 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 508	For me personally, choosing a pistol, I care about as much what the Marines chose as I do what the FBI chose. Which by the way is, I don't care at all what they chose.

October 2, 2016, 09:23 PM	#20
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	But don't the Marines still use the M45A1 CQBP M1911A1 variant?

October 3, 2016, 06:28 AM	#22
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	BUTBUTBUTBUTBUT... .45! John Moses Browning! 'Murica! Lazor Beem of Splooshy Deth! This is a dark day in America's history... __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

October 3, 2016, 08:14 AM	#23
45_auto Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2011 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 1,399	Not the first time the military has gone to a .38 (9mm). It'll be interesting to see how long it takes them to correct it this time.

October 3, 2016, 08:34 AM	#24
propforce Member Join Date: October 9, 2011 Posts: 58	9mm has a softer recoil so any wuss in the Marine Corp special forces can use it

October 3, 2016, 09:05 AM	#25
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,809	It's about time. The Army proved in 1946 that the 9mm was the better round. Despite the legend both the 45 and 1911 were viewed as lacking after both WW-1 and WW-2 and by 1946 the Army wanted to dump both. The only reason it didn't happen 70 years ago was due to a huge supply of perfectly good 1911 handguns and no urgency, or budget, to replace them.