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January 14, 2013, 11:44 PM | #26 |
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Now, switching to 7 rounds will require new manufacturing and tooling. Such a law will require people to dispose of or relinquish property they already own without compensation. Serious 5th Amendment issues abound.
Which is different, exactly, from what happened when NJ passed it's own EBR Ban and NJ residents had no choice but to sell or surrender? This has already been done elsewhere, with lasting results. Willie . |
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January 15, 2013, 01:22 AM | #28 | |
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10rd to 7 'toughest gun control package in the nation' passed by New York Senate
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January 15, 2013, 01:27 AM | #29 |
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oh please move this to the other thread, just found out its already under another topic.
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January 15, 2013, 01:52 AM | #31 |
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Tom, what if you own a handgun that has a 14 round (just for argument sake) magazine. The manufacturer and aftermarket companies do to make a 10 rounder for it.... They are forcing the owners to sell them within a year...
I am just curious. I have heard so much speculation. I had even heard first it was any firearm that could accept a magazine more than 7 rounds, but think that was just BS.. What about a Nylon 66 .22? Don't they hold 14 rounds in a tube magazine? Are they banned?
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January 15, 2013, 03:09 AM | #33 |
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This bill has serious 2nd and 5th amendment issues.
Castrating every convicted sex offender would save at least one child. Since were talking about violating constitutional rights to save children why stop with guns? |
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The only way I can live with that is if every government agency also has the same restrictions placed on them. If the government needs AR15's and 30 round magazines, then so do I. Quote:
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January 15, 2013, 07:45 AM | #35 |
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It's true! Just called Jim Tresmond and spoke with him personally. He is starting a class action lawsuit to suppport all affected by this draconian legislation. If you live in NYS and are affected please call him 716.202.4301.
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January 15, 2013, 08:40 AM | #36 |
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NY Proposed Legislation Looks BAD
Looks as if NY residents are going to have it very, very rough if this legislation passes.
Proposed: * ban on pre 1994 mags with cap of 11 or more * ban on mags over 7 rounds * background checks on all ammo purchases * mental health reporting which is to be checked against the (new??) gun registry database * 1 feature test for AW. Bushmaster AR banned by name* 10 round mags to be grandfathered in but may only be loaded with 7 rounds (read elsewhere this will be a misdemeanor) * all sales of ammo from registered ammo dealers to be reported to local police * background check on all ammo purcahses * ban of direct internet ammo purchases * ammo purchases to go through FFL * five year renewable registration for AW and handguns http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2230-2013
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January 15, 2013, 08:47 AM | #37 |
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A few observations:
Seems like a done deal. I expect that by the time I re-check the news tonight it will have been passed and signed. This is the paragon of a state that has gone wrong, and where the people have become sheeple... just being told what to do and when to do it. It will be interesting to see how the next elections play out there. Really, if I lived there, this would be sufficient to cause me to leave. That's from someone who lived thru NJ's own EBR Ban some decades back. There will obviously be court challenges, and it will be interesting to see how they play out. It'll be interesting to watch the first old man arrested for having his own Fathers WW-II Luger in the bedroom drawer with it's 2 matched magazines in the holster. It will equally be interesting watching the level of "enforcement" upstate, by local LEO's who undrstand that this crosses the line between anhything resembling common sense and simple power. Willie . |
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Yea, I have been reading about this.
Worse than bad, IMHO. Nuts!
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It is bad, and it could get a lot worse. We all know that these measure often start in California, and/or New York SPREAD to other states and are copied because they "succeeded" to be passed in these states. Be wary of copycat legislation coming to a state capital near you.
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January 15, 2013, 08:50 AM | #40 |
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I guess my Ruger P345 will be illegal, with its 8 round magazine.
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I wonder if this applies to rimfire as well as centerfire handguns or rifles, haven't seen any mention of a distinction. |
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January 15, 2013, 09:21 AM | #42 |
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It's times like this where it sucks to have been right about them wanting to take guns away.
Even worse is the amazing number of people who don't see that as a problem.
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Myself, I am waiting to see if manufacturers like Remington and Kimber move out of the state. I know there's a difference between manufacturing and use (think distilleries in dry counties), but at some point I would think the hostile environment would drive away firearm makers.
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Worse than I could have imagined. I'll never set foot in that state. Won't give them a single tourist dollar.
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Not to mention the jobs they are sending away. This law will motivate Remington to move. If I was still in the economic development game, I'd be watching this like a hawk. A thousand jobs up in the air should get things in a proper perspective.
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I'm still hoping that Christie will be smart enough to realize that if he wants to be president someday, signing stupid laws like this isn't the way to go about it. NJ is a already a bigger pain than it's worth. |
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January 15, 2013, 09:37 AM | #47 |
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As far as NY politicians are concerned, I'm betting the only thing going through their heads is GOOD RIDDANCE if Remington left. They'll tout how they chased off an evil gun manufacturer and turned the factory into a daycare or something.
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From what I just read on Fox News website the legislation is now waiting for State Assembly approval and is expected to easily approve it today. My fellow members across the country thing do not look good.
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IOW people who own something like a Marlin Model 60 I am kind of flabbergasted by this legislation. In terms of restrictions, NY residents are arguably better off if they were to move to Canada.
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(FWIW I already posted this in the other thread, so this may be redundant if they are merged.)
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