Swiss 1 1/2 F Anybody ever use this for BPCR?

Barnacle Brad · February 24, 2013, 04:00 PM

I have a new container of Swiss 1 1/2 FG powder for my trapdoor rifle and wonder if there is any reason not to use it? I don't have a powder press so would not be using very hot load (compressed loads).

All the trapdoor loads I see use 2F or 3F. New to loading black powder, but have loaded Triple Seven and Smokeless for this a bunch.

Any recommendations or thoughts appreciated.

1884 Springfield trapdoor rifle
45-70
starline brass (unmodified primer pockets)
CCI 200 large rifle primers
58gr Swiss 1 1/2 FG (?) (this is the weight of powder volume to bottom of bullet 3/32 or so above fully seated bullet depth)

Thanks!

Jim Watson · February 24, 2013, 04:40 PM

I load .38-55 and .40-65 with Swiss 1 1/2 Fg.
It does not need as much compression as Goex, so you should be fine.

Barnacle Brad · February 24, 2013, 06:29 PM

I appreciate it!

TomADC · February 24, 2013, 06:33 PM

My favorite in a 45-70 for the reasons stated above.

Barnacle Brad · February 24, 2013, 07:13 PM

How about this?

I am planning on modifying the flash holes to .096" per J.S./Pat Wolf. Any concerns with charging the modified cases with Triple Seven?

Might seem like a silly question, but I don't want broken guns and missing body parts!

I have plenty of cases so I wouldn't have to use them with the sub. More curious about performance - an experiment I guess. Thought I would try five rounds and see how they shoot.

Thanks

TomADC · February 24, 2013, 09:21 PM

I've never used Triple Seven, but with Swiss 1.5 I didn't mod the cases even though I've read the book.

spitpatch · February 24, 2013, 09:44 PM

Most all of the BPCR shooters I know use swiss 1 1/2. I think 777 would be to hot for a trapdoor. Also is not allowed in NRA matches.

spitpatch · February 24, 2013, 09:48 PM

Also the only modification I would do is to debur the flash holes for uniforimity.

Barnacle Brad · February 24, 2013, 10:26 PM

I have loaded the triple seven before for the trapdoor, but did not have the 405 HB mold. Now that I do, I want to find out if I can get some consistency from it.

The Nowood BPC Match allows BP subs. It is in my backyard so I have to make it this year. Missed Quigley 2 yrs in a row now. Have to get back in the groove!

Thanks for the help!

February 24, 2013, 04:00 PM	#1
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	Swiss 1 1/2 F Anybody ever use this for BPCR? I have a new container of Swiss 1 1/2 FG powder for my trapdoor rifle and wonder if there is any reason not to use it? I don't have a powder press so would not be using very hot load (compressed loads). All the trapdoor loads I see use 2F or 3F. New to loading black powder, but have loaded Triple Seven and Smokeless for this a bunch. Any recommendations or thoughts appreciated. 1884 Springfield trapdoor rifle 45-70 starline brass (unmodified primer pockets) CCI 200 large rifle primers 58gr Swiss 1 1/2 FG (?) (this is the weight of powder volume to bottom of bullet 3/32 or so above fully seated bullet depth) Thanks! __________________ Brad

February 24, 2013, 06:29 PM	#3
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	I appreciate it! __________________ Brad

February 24, 2013, 06:33 PM	#4
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	My favorite in a 45-70 for the reasons stated above. __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006!

February 24, 2013, 07:13 PM	#5
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	Triple Seven Question How about this? I am planning on modifying the flash holes to .096" per J.S./Pat Wolf. Any concerns with charging the modified cases with Triple Seven? Might seem like a silly question, but I don't want broken guns and missing body parts! I have plenty of cases so I wouldn't have to use them with the sub. More curious about performance - an experiment I guess. Thought I would try five rounds and see how they shoot. Thanks __________________ Brad

February 24, 2013, 09:21 PM	#6
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	I've never used Triple Seven, but with Swiss 1.5 I didn't mod the cases even though I've read the book. __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006!

February 24, 2013, 04:40 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	I load .38-55 and .40-65 with Swiss 1 1/2 Fg. It does not need as much compression as Goex, so you should be fine.

February 24, 2013, 09:44 PM	#7
spitpatch Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 171	Swiss: Most all of the BPCR shooters I know use swiss 1 1/2. I think 777 would be to hot for a trapdoor. Also is not allowed in NRA matches.

February 24, 2013, 09:48 PM	#8
spitpatch Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 171	Forgot Also the only modification I would do is to debur the flash holes for uniforimity.

February 24, 2013, 10:26 PM	#9
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	I have loaded the triple seven before for the trapdoor, but did not have the 405 HB mold. Now that I do, I want to find out if I can get some consistency from it. The Nowood BPC Match allows BP subs. It is in my backyard so I have to make it this year. Missed Quigley 2 yrs in a row now. Have to get back in the groove! Thanks for the help! __________________ Brad

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