1100 vs 11-87 - Page 2

Sarge · November 28, 2013, 04:06 PM

MarkCO-

I'm a deadbeat when it comes to cleaning shotguns... felt guilty because I let my 11-87 go 325 or so rounds between cleanings last summer, when we were shooting lots of clay birds. Going 2500 rounds w/o cleaning any shotgun, regardless of action type, is incomprehensible to me.

shortwave · November 28, 2013, 08:01 PM

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Show me an 1100 that can go 2500 rounds with NO cleaning

Nope!

Not gonna do it. Take better care of my guns then that.

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Show me an 1100 that can go 2500 rounds with NO cleaning.

Show me an 1100 that can go 30K with NO parts changes.

Show me an 1100 that can go 30K with NO malfunctions.

Not wanting to start a brand war or even an in depth discussion on the subject but...
I don't think there's a brand of gun made that a guarantee such as the above can be put on every one produced.

Just sayin...

MarkCO · November 28, 2013, 08:17 PM

The VM I use in competition has 6500 rounds through it. Never cleaned the gas system or barrel, because there is no need. The trigger group and bolt carrier group has been cleaned and relubed 3 times. 1100s NEED it, the VM does not. I enjoy spending my time and money pulling the trigger, not babying a shotgun that can't hack it. That one is just year old though. Not abuse, just reality.

Buy an inferior weapon system and baby it, or a state of the art system and use it? Simple answer for me based on what I want to do with my shotguns.

Virginian · November 28, 2013, 08:45 PM

An 1100 holds the record for going the longest without issues and no cleaning - over 24,000 rounds. It is in Guiness if you doubt me. I have no idea what kind of shells they were shooting. I have gone up to 200 with absolutely filthy Blue Dot reloads, maybe 400 otherwise. But, I clean any gun after i shoot it, whether 1 shell or hundreds, particularly any gas operated auto. I am not talking a detail cleaning but at least a less than 5 minute spray and wipe of the gas parts. When I get too lazy to do that you can throw the dirt in on me.
I broke an extractor on my 1963 Model 1100 in 1982 at a round count of about 92,000. Round count is now over 115,000 with no other failures. I know a guy who has over 200,000 thru his, and he did break an action bar a few years ago. I have had no failures of any kind on 12 others I have owned. I have fixed a lot of issues on other people's 1100s. What's the difference? I don't know for sure, but I have an idea.
The biggest enemy of any self loading shotgun is the nut on the back of the stock.
The newest 1100s have a new carrier that will allow one to cycle shells thru the action just by working the bolt. I am ordering a couple of old carriers because I like that the action locks back after every manual pull back.

eastbank · November 29, 2013, 05:41 AM

i break my 1100,s down for a quick cleaning at 600 or so rounds and like the above poster said(five to 10 minutes) at most,at one year i take the trigger group out and clean it and add a new o-ring needed or not. most of my shells are loaded on two mec 9000,s, a G and GH. 90 percent of the shells are loaded with 17grs red dot, CB wads and winchester 209 primers. if you need a part for a versamax how long would it take to get them? i can get any part for a 1100 in at most 2 days,and all the extra goodies i want,barrels,stocks ect at very good prices.the remington 1100 may not be for every body,but their are enough to make remington bring it back after stopping production. FADS COME AND GO. eastbank.

MarkCO · December 3, 2013, 04:20 PM

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An 1100 holds the record for going the longest without issues and no cleaning - over 24,000 rounds. It is in Guiness if you doubt me.

Looked it up, could not find it.

Brian Pfleuger · December 3, 2013, 04:44 PM

The words "Remington", "shotgun", "shot gun", "1100" and "rounds without cleaning" do not appear in any of Guniess' online published records. You can search here.

Nickel Plated · December 3, 2013, 05:37 PM

Outside of military or end of the world situations I see no real significance in the "This gun will go 5000 rounds with no cleaning" I'm sure you can find 15 minutes in your life to clean your shotgun after a trip to the range.

The only real difference between the two is the 1100 is only chambered for 2.75 shells. The 1100 Magnum can take 3".
The 11-87 on the other hand can all take up to 3" and the 11-87 Super Mag will take up to 3.5".

The more important thing to me would be the 11-87 has a self regulating gas system. With the 1100 you have to switch barrels with different size gas ports when you shoot different power loads. The 11-87 will swallow a wider variety of loads with less screwing around.

Just look at which one Remington uses for their Police model. Should tell you something right there.

MarkCO · December 3, 2013, 05:52 PM

Yep, the Versa-Max R12 will be the Police model going forward in 2014.

The Army Marksmanship Unit already has already switched to the Versa-max.

Virginian · December 3, 2013, 08:27 PM

You do not have to switch barrels for different loads within chamber size on an 1100. You may have some difficulties with mouse fart handloads, but so will an 11-87 and a lot of other semis without taking extra steps.

November 28, 2013, 04:06 PM	#26
Sarge Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: MO Posts: 5,457	MarkCO- I'm a deadbeat when it comes to cleaning shotguns... felt guilty because I let my 11-87 go 325 or so rounds between cleanings last summer, when we were shooting lots of clay birds. Going 2500 rounds w/o cleaning any shotgun, regardless of action type, is incomprehensible to me. __________________ People were smarter before the Internet, or imbeciles were harder to notice.

November 28, 2013, 08:17 PM	#28
MarkCO Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1998 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 4,308	The VM I use in competition has 6500 rounds through it. Never cleaned the gas system or barrel, because there is no need. The trigger group and bolt carrier group has been cleaned and relubed 3 times. 1100s NEED it, the VM does not. I enjoy spending my time and money pulling the trigger, not babying a shotgun that can't hack it. That one is just year old though. Not abuse, just reality. Buy an inferior weapon system and baby it, or a state of the art system and use it? Simple answer for me based on what I want to do with my shotguns. __________________ Good Shooting, MarkCO www.CarbonArms.us

November 28, 2013, 08:45 PM	#29
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	An 1100 holds the record for going the longest without issues and no cleaning - over 24,000 rounds. It is in Guiness if you doubt me. I have no idea what kind of shells they were shooting. I have gone up to 200 with absolutely filthy Blue Dot reloads, maybe 400 otherwise. But, I clean any gun after i shoot it, whether 1 shell or hundreds, particularly any gas operated auto. I am not talking a detail cleaning but at least a less than 5 minute spray and wipe of the gas parts. When I get too lazy to do that you can throw the dirt in on me. I broke an extractor on my 1963 Model 1100 in 1982 at a round count of about 92,000. Round count is now over 115,000 with no other failures. I know a guy who has over 200,000 thru his, and he did break an action bar a few years ago. I have had no failures of any kind on 12 others I have owned. I have fixed a lot of issues on other people's 1100s. What's the difference? I don't know for sure, but I have an idea. The biggest enemy of any self loading shotgun is the nut on the back of the stock. The newest 1100s have a new carrier that will allow one to cycle shells thru the action just by working the bolt. I am ordering a couple of old carriers because I like that the action locks back after every manual pull back. __________________ What could have happened... did.

December 3, 2013, 04:44 PM	#32
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	The words "Remington", "shotgun", "shot gun", "1100" and "rounds without cleaning" do not appear in any of Guniess' online published records. You can search here. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

December 3, 2013, 05:52 PM	#34
MarkCO Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1998 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 4,308	Yep, the Versa-Max R12 will be the Police model going forward in 2014. The Army Marksmanship Unit already has already switched to the Versa-max. __________________ Good Shooting, MarkCO www.CarbonArms.us

November 29, 2013, 05:41 AM	#30
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	i break my 1100,s down for a quick cleaning at 600 or so rounds and like the above poster said(five to 10 minutes) at most,at one year i take the trigger group out and clean it and add a new o-ring needed or not. most of my shells are loaded on two mec 9000,s, a G and GH. 90 percent of the shells are loaded with 17grs red dot, CB wads and winchester 209 primers. if you need a part for a versamax how long would it take to get them? i can get any part for a 1100 in at most 2 days,and all the extra goodies i want,barrels,stocks ect at very good prices.the remington 1100 may not be for every body,but their are enough to make remington bring it back after stopping production. FADS COME AND GO. eastbank.

December 3, 2013, 05:37 PM	#33
Nickel Plated Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 610	Outside of military or end of the world situations I see no real significance in the "This gun will go 5000 rounds with no cleaning" I'm sure you can find 15 minutes in your life to clean your shotgun after a trip to the range. The only real difference between the two is the 1100 is only chambered for 2.75 shells. The 1100 Magnum can take 3". The 11-87 on the other hand can all take up to 3" and the 11-87 Super Mag will take up to 3.5". The more important thing to me would be the 11-87 has a self regulating gas system. With the 1100 you have to switch barrels with different size gas ports when you shoot different power loads. The 11-87 will swallow a wider variety of loads with less screwing around. Just look at which one Remington uses for their Police model. Should tell you something right there.

December 3, 2013, 08:27 PM	#35
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	You do not have to switch barrels for different loads within chamber size on an 1100. You may have some difficulties with mouse fart handloads, but so will an 11-87 and a lot of other semis without taking extra steps. __________________ What could have happened... did.