looking to buy 38 special or +p - Page 2

mrray13 · October 12, 2014, 08:13 AM

But 50* to the Hawaiian is cold, but warm for the Eskimo. So while the temperature is in fact 50*, the fact that it is warm, or cold, is subjective.

Facts are not necessarily definitive, they can indeed be subjective. Just basing your fact on this standard, which can be true and proven and thus a fact, while I base my fact on this other standard, which can be true and proven and thus a fact, makes certain facts subjective.

And thus ends the rambling of a man who doesn't have his full dose of coffee..

smee78 · October 12, 2014, 08:38 AM

I would keep my eyes out for a nice used S&W or Ruger, they really are the better choices. I will admit that I have one of the older 720 Rossi's and it is a keeper for sure but it is a 44 spl, not a 38. A nice model 10 HB S&W would make a great shooter, I picked up one years ago and use it as a house gun.

Cheapshooter · October 12, 2014, 09:23 AM

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Cheapshooter · October 12, 2014, 09:35 AM

FACT as to what the SAAMI standards say in ink on paper are exactly that. A FACT.

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But I have years of research and observation backing my beliefs

Unless you have the pressure testing equipment used in laboratories like SAAMI, your "observations" are conjecture.

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I'm sure the firearms manufactures all contact you to determine if their products are to be rated +P Or not!

SaxonPig · October 12, 2014, 09:59 AM

But SAAMI changed their facts in 1972. Again, facts are not set in stone when they are nothing more than a construct, created by Man.

I don't need a pressure measuring device to know that a 125 at 925 FPS is not a high pressure load. Empties fall from the chamber without using the ejector. Cases are sooted meaning they didn't expand to seal the chamber under firing. All signs of low pressure condition. These are my observations and I believe my own eyes. You don't...fine.

Mainstream (not specialty) factory +P as any sort of high pressure or high performance load is a myth. A lie. It is NOT fact.

But here I am sucked into this never ending debate again. I have got to get off this merry go round.

seeker_two · October 12, 2014, 10:08 AM

Another brand to consider is Charter Arms. They make good +P rated revolvers in your price range.

Real Gun · October 12, 2014, 11:47 AM

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But SAAMI changed their facts in 1972. Again, facts are not set in stone when they are nothing more than a construct, created by Man.

Don't confuse data with conclusions accepted as factual .

skizzums · October 12, 2014, 03:23 PM

this guy just wants to find a decent gun for 250-350$. I don't think he is particularly interested in the pressure debate.

this price is simply amazing, you might not get the best out of armscor, but at this price it doesn't matter. if this is your first gun, you will buying a lot more soon anyway
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-M200.aspx

if your going over 300, I would stick with the rossi/Taurus or charter
this is nice
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/CHA...NDERCOVER.aspx

Buzzcook · October 12, 2014, 10:31 PM

Used .38 special S&Ws are still around for under $400. That would be my first choice.

In August I bought a very good condition Model 14 for $330 with two speed loaders. I've read of better deals than that.

Real Gun · October 13, 2014, 08:00 AM

If the Rossi is of the Interarms era, and stamped accordingly, go for it. Those are underrated as having since taken on the stigma of Taurus.

whip1 · October 13, 2014, 08:26 AM

If I had a $300 budget, my search would start and end with a police trade in like the ones found at Bud's.

georgiacatweazle · October 27, 2014, 08:32 AM

Ended up buying a new Taurus model 82 4" satin for $299. So far i've managed to get a 1 1/2" ragged hole.
pictures attached

roaddog28 · October 27, 2014, 10:43 AM

I agree with Skizzums. The fellow is looking for a in expense 38 special. He might not care about SAAMI pressures between standard and +P. He is asking for a opinion on the two revolvers he named above.
My response is, for $300 to $350 he can find a used S&W or Ruger. I feel he would get more for his money.

Model12Win · October 27, 2014, 11:00 AM

I agree.

OP: Try and find a used S&W or Ruger. They are nicer guns for sure.

georgiacatweazle · October 27, 2014, 12:02 PM

The Taurus Model 82 is basically a S&W Model 10. It shoots at least as good as my friends S&W. Only had a week and I've already had my reloading supplies and die's hit my mail box and fired off my first set of reloads today.

tallball · October 27, 2014, 12:28 PM

I have owned many Taurii and only had trouble with one of them. Congratulations on your new piece. Do you have pictures?

georgiacatweazle · October 27, 2014, 01:23 PM

@tarball, yep pictures are attached about 4 or 5 posts up the thread.

roaddog28 · October 27, 2014, 03:26 PM

Congrats on your Taurus 82. You will enjoy the gun.

CajunBass · October 28, 2014, 05:49 AM

Congratulations on the Taurus 82. I've owned a couple of them over the years and they're good guns. Not a thing wrong with them. I especially like the older ones that had wooden grips, but that's just me liking older guns.

Onward Allusion · October 28, 2014, 08:04 AM

To the OP -

Here is an extremely detailed review of the Armscor m200 & m206 revolvers. They are very good revolvers for the money. Brought to you by the same folks who make the Rock Island Armory 1911's that are so popular as foundations for race guns. They have a street price of right around $220,

http://ezine.m1911.org/showthread.ph...evolver-Review

October 12, 2014, 08:38 AM	#27
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	I would keep my eyes out for a nice used S&W or Ruger, they really are the better choices. I will admit that I have one of the older 720 Rossi's and it is a keeper for sure but it is a 44 spl, not a 38. A nice model 10 HB S&W would make a great shooter, I picked up one years ago and use it as a house gun. __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

October 12, 2014, 03:23 PM	#33
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	this guy just wants to find a decent gun for 250-350$. I don't think he is particularly interested in the pressure debate. this price is simply amazing, you might not get the best out of armscor, but at this price it doesn't matter. if this is your first gun, you will buying a lot more soon anyway http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-M200.aspx if your going over 300, I would stick with the rossi/Taurus or charter this is nice http://www.centerfiresystems.com/CHA...NDERCOVER.aspx __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

October 27, 2014, 12:02 PM	#40
georgiacatweazle Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2013 Posts: 246	The Taurus Model 82 is basically a S&W Model 10. It shoots at least as good as my friends S&W. Only had a week and I've already had my reloading supplies and die's hit my mail box and fired off my first set of reloads today. __________________ "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair

October 27, 2014, 01:23 PM	#42
georgiacatweazle Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2013 Posts: 246	@tarball, yep pictures are attached about 4 or 5 posts up the thread. __________________ "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair

October 28, 2014, 05:49 AM	#44
CajunBass Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2005 Location: North Chesterfield, Virginia Posts: 4,767	Congratulations on the Taurus 82. I've owned a couple of them over the years and they're good guns. Not a thing wrong with them. I especially like the older ones that had wooden grips, but that's just me liking older guns. __________________ For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (NKJV)

October 12, 2014, 08:13 AM	#26
mrray13 Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 911	But 50* to the Hawaiian is cold, but warm for the Eskimo. So while the temperature is in fact 50*, the fact that it is warm, or cold, is subjective. Facts are not necessarily definitive, they can indeed be subjective. Just basing your fact on this standard, which can be true and proven and thus a fact, while I base my fact on this other standard, which can be true and proven and thus a fact, makes certain facts subjective. And thus ends the rambling of a man who doesn't have his full dose of coffee..

October 12, 2014, 09:59 AM	#30
SaxonPig Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2006 Posts: 1,900	But SAAMI changed their facts in 1972. Again, facts are not set in stone when they are nothing more than a construct, created by Man. I don't need a pressure measuring device to know that a 125 at 925 FPS is not a high pressure load. Empties fall from the chamber without using the ejector. Cases are sooted meaning they didn't expand to seal the chamber under firing. All signs of low pressure condition. These are my observations and I believe my own eyes. You don't...fine. Mainstream (not specialty) factory +P as any sort of high pressure or high performance load is a myth. A lie. It is NOT fact. But here I am sucked into this never ending debate again. I have got to get off this merry go round.

October 12, 2014, 10:08 AM	#31
seeker_two Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2002 Location: Deep in the Heart of the Lone Star State (TX) Posts: 2,169	Another brand to consider is Charter Arms. They make good +P rated revolvers in your price range.

October 12, 2014, 10:31 PM	#34
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	Used .38 special S&Ws are still around for under $400. That would be my first choice. In August I bought a very good condition Model 14 for $330 with two speed loaders. I've read of better deals than that.

October 13, 2014, 08:00 AM	#35
Real Gun Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Location: SC Posts: 2,743	If the Rossi is of the Interarms era, and stamped accordingly, go for it. Those are underrated as having since taken on the stigma of Taurus.

October 13, 2014, 08:26 AM	#36
whip1 Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 383	If I had a $300 budget, my search would start and end with a police trade in like the ones found at Bud's.

October 27, 2014, 10:43 AM	#38
roaddog28 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2009 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 961	I agree with Skizzums. The fellow is looking for a in expense 38 special. He might not care about SAAMI pressures between standard and +P. He is asking for a opinion on the two revolvers he named above. My response is, for $300 to $350 he can find a used S&W or Ruger. I feel he would get more for his money.

October 27, 2014, 11:00 AM	#39
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	I agree. OP: Try and find a used S&W or Ruger. They are nicer guns for sure.

October 27, 2014, 12:28 PM	#41
tallball Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2014 Posts: 2,444	I have owned many Taurii and only had trouble with one of them. Congratulations on your new piece. Do you have pictures?

October 27, 2014, 03:26 PM	#43
roaddog28 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2009 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 961	Congrats on your Taurus 82. You will enjoy the gun.

October 28, 2014, 08:04 AM	#45
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	To the OP - Here is an extremely detailed review of the Armscor m200 & m206 revolvers. They are very good revolvers for the money. Brought to you by the same folks who make the Rock Island Armory 1911's that are so popular as foundations for race guns. They have a street price of right around $220, http://ezine.m1911.org/showthread.ph...evolver-Review __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying