A.S.M. 58

BirchOrr · May 12, 2015, 03:09 PM

This one I got a while back. Had to have it as I had simply never seen one like it. Not saying there isn't one. It is pretty and cool. I guess that makes it pretty cool!

It is an ASM imported by CVA and the barrel is stamped by both companies. It never had been fired. Of course I had to shoot it and it is a shooter!

Nothing super special but then... every new BP pistol/rifle you add to the arsenal has it's special place and is proudly displayed like soldiers standing at attention.

All the best,

Birch

CameronP · May 12, 2015, 04:01 PM

Love that bluing turned plum color. Fantastic grips. Beautiful revolver. Congrats.

BirchOrr · May 12, 2015, 04:12 PM

Thanks, the pic does not do justice to what a beautiful plumb color the frame really is.

Thanks again,

Birch

Doc Hoy · May 12, 2015, 05:09 PM

Every once in a while you see the plum color. I have a Rogers and Spencer from ASM that seems to be changing colors. When I bought it I put it in a case next to some Remingtons. It was noticably redder than the other pistols. But now the red is even more pronounced.

I am confident that someone on the forum know the origin of the reddish color. It ain't me, babe.

BTW Birch, good to see your post too.

BirchOrr · May 12, 2015, 05:26 PM

Great to hear from you Doc!

Kindest regards,

Birch

noelf2 · May 13, 2015, 11:47 AM

My Uberti 1858 carbine has a blued plum colored frame just like that. Came that way new though. Not sure how they did that, or if they all have that plum color, but I like it !

wogpotter · May 13, 2015, 03:29 PM

DW revolvers with the plum colored bluing are called "Barney" guns!
I quite like the 2-tone effect!

CameronP · May 14, 2015, 09:59 AM

Doc:
I have a couple Santa Barbara 58s with the same plum color. I've also seen a few older replicas with the same plum color. My theory is that the color change is a function of the blueing aging on the receiver that (may) have a different steel formulation. Kinda like patina.

noelf2 · May 14, 2015, 01:55 PM

I'll have to post a picture of my Uberti carbine. I bought it new from Cabelas about 4 or 5 years ago. It was plumb blue when I got it. I'll have to look at the SN and figure date of manufacture, but I can pretty much confirm it isn't a patina thing with mine.

AKexpat · May 14, 2015, 03:09 PM

Is it "plumb" blue or "plum" blue.

Not trying to be a jerk, as I am in possession of two plumb bobs (carpentry tools) that are plum blue.

Just wondering...

wogpotter · May 14, 2015, 03:41 PM

Plum, like the fruit is correct.
That's why so many of my posts reason for editing is "Kant spel fer nutin"

noelf2 · May 14, 2015, 06:13 PM

The dagum thing is plumb plum colored.

deerslayer303 · May 14, 2015, 06:36 PM

Very pretty Revolver. Love the color and grips.

noelf2 · May 14, 2015, 06:37 PM

Birch here's the carbine that matches your revolver....

Bishop Creek · May 15, 2015, 08:36 PM

noelf2,
How does your carbine shoot with that Howell conversion cylinder? Any problems? Thinking about getting one.

noelf2 · May 16, 2015, 07:41 PM

Mine does ok if I load them myself. I first tried 250gr rnfp with BP, Trailboss, and Unique, but I wasn't happy with it. I started using 200gr rnfp with Trailboss, and the group tightened considerably. Haven't messed much with it lately though. Nice that I don't get percussion cap shrapnel in the face with it.

So you know, I had a problem at first in that the hand was not pushing the ratchet on the howell far enough to get a good lockup unless I really cocked it fast (inertia). I bought a replacement hand and spring to mess with, and it worked perfectly with no modification. BP cylinder still works good too. YMMV

BirchOrr · May 16, 2015, 09:21 PM

Seeing that picture of the matching carbine,really tripped my trigger! I wish I owned it! Very cool.

Barney gun? That is just simply too funny! Lol!

Thanks so much for all of your excellent replies!

All the best,

Birch

BirchOrr · May 16, 2015, 09:33 PM

This is so interesting to me because I have never seen these plum colored revolvers come up on this forum before. Now, I see some surfacing out of the woodwork. Very cool and exactly what I was looking for! Outstanding gentleman. Thank you so much!

Birch

May 12, 2015, 03:09 PM	#1
BirchOrr Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Eaton Rapids, MI Posts: 445	A.S.M. 58 This one I got a while back. Had to have it as I had simply never seen one like it. Not saying there isn't one. It is pretty and cool. I guess that makes it pretty cool! It is an ASM imported by CVA and the barrel is stamped by both companies. It never had been fired. Of course I had to shoot it and it is a shooter! Nothing super special but then... every new BP pistol/rifle you add to the arsenal has it's special place and is proudly displayed like soldiers standing at attention. All the best, Birch __________________ Black Powder: Not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win...

May 12, 2015, 04:12 PM	#3
BirchOrr Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Eaton Rapids, MI Posts: 445	Thanks, the pic does not do justice to what a beautiful plumb color the frame really is. Thanks again, Birch __________________ Black Powder: Not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win...

May 12, 2015, 05:09 PM	#4
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Yes, All. Every once in a while you see the plum color. I have a Rogers and Spencer from ASM that seems to be changing colors. When I bought it I put it in a case next to some Remingtons. It was noticably redder than the other pistols. But now the red is even more pronounced. I am confident that someone on the forum know the origin of the reddish color. It ain't me, babe. BTW Birch, good to see your post too. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

May 12, 2015, 05:26 PM	#5
BirchOrr Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Eaton Rapids, MI Posts: 445	Great to hear from you Doc! Kindest regards, Birch __________________ Black Powder: Not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win...

May 13, 2015, 11:47 AM	#6
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	My Uberti 1858 carbine has a blued plum colored frame just like that. Came that way new though. Not sure how they did that, or if they all have that plum color, but I like it ! __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

May 12, 2015, 04:01 PM	#2
CameronP Member Join Date: August 25, 2010 Location: West Jordan, Utah Posts: 71	Love that bluing turned plum color. Fantastic grips. Beautiful revolver. Congrats.

May 13, 2015, 03:29 PM	#7
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	DW revolvers with the plum colored bluing are called "Barney" guns! I quite like the 2-tone effect! __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.” Last edited by wogpotter; May 14, 2015 at 03:42 PM. Reason: Kant spel fer krap

May 14, 2015, 09:59 AM	#8
CameronP Member Join Date: August 25, 2010 Location: West Jordan, Utah Posts: 71	Doc: I have a couple Santa Barbara 58s with the same plum color. I've also seen a few older replicas with the same plum color. My theory is that the color change is a function of the blueing aging on the receiver that (may) have a different steel formulation. Kinda like patina.

May 14, 2015, 01:55 PM	#9
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	I'll have to post a picture of my Uberti carbine. I bought it new from Cabelas about 4 or 5 years ago. It was plumb blue when I got it. I'll have to look at the SN and figure date of manufacture, but I can pretty much confirm it isn't a patina thing with mine. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

May 14, 2015, 03:09 PM	#10
AKexpat Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2014 Location: SW WA State Posts: 490	Have to ask a stupid Q: Is it "plumb" blue or "plum" blue. Not trying to be a jerk, as I am in possession of two plumb bobs (carpentry tools) that are plum blue. Just wondering... __________________ To be governed – is to be watched, inspected, directed, indoctrinated, numbered, estimated, regulated, commanded, controlled, law-driven, preached at, spied upon, censured, checked, valued, enrolled – by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

May 14, 2015, 03:41 PM	#11
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Plum, like the fruit is correct. That's why so many of my posts reason for editing is "Kant spel fer nutin" __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

May 14, 2015, 06:13 PM	#12
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	The dagum thing is plumb plum colored. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

May 14, 2015, 06:36 PM	#13
deerslayer303 Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2011 Location: Leesville SC Posts: 2,653	Very pretty Revolver. Love the color and grips.

May 15, 2015, 08:36 PM	#15
Bishop Creek Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Posts: 566	noelf2, How does your carbine shoot with that Howell conversion cylinder? Any problems? Thinking about getting one.

May 16, 2015, 07:41 PM	#16
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	Mine does ok if I load them myself. I first tried 250gr rnfp with BP, Trailboss, and Unique, but I wasn't happy with it. I started using 200gr rnfp with Trailboss, and the group tightened considerably. Haven't messed much with it lately though. Nice that I don't get percussion cap shrapnel in the face with it. So you know, I had a problem at first in that the hand was not pushing the ratchet on the howell far enough to get a good lockup unless I really cocked it fast (inertia). I bought a replacement hand and spring to mess with, and it worked perfectly with no modification. BP cylinder still works good too. YMMV __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

May 16, 2015, 09:21 PM	#17
BirchOrr Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Eaton Rapids, MI Posts: 445	wow... Seeing that picture of the matching carbine,really tripped my trigger! I wish I owned it! Very cool. Barney gun? That is just simply too funny! Lol! Thanks so much for all of your excellent replies! All the best, Birch __________________ Black Powder: Not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win...

May 16, 2015, 09:33 PM	#18
BirchOrr Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Eaton Rapids, MI Posts: 445	This is so interesting to me because I have never seen these plum colored revolvers come up on this forum before. Now, I see some surfacing out of the woodwork. Very cool and exactly what I was looking for! Outstanding gentleman. Thank you so much! Birch __________________ Black Powder: Not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win...