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September 11, 2013, 08:47 AM | #26 |
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"I didn't find anything on Bernie Herpin's 2A position."
The Denver Post says that Herpin is a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment.
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September 11, 2013, 09:10 AM | #27 |
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Is anyone aware of a similar national effort?
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September 11, 2013, 09:14 AM | #28 |
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Congrats to the good people of Colorado who held these politicians accountable for their disregard of their constituents' 2A rights. I can't claim to understand with any specificity the full national implications of this, but a win is a win, and in this case, there are TWO wins.
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September 11, 2013, 10:14 AM | #29 |
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Last night the CBS evening news (broadcast before the election results were in) reported that the NRA spent $360,000 trying to influence this "local" election, with what sounded to me like a verbal sneer. (of course, that might just be my reaction to the overall slant of the reporting).
A couple of lines later, they reported that Bloomberg, personally (alone, by himself, from his own pocket was the impression they conveyed) spent $350,000. and "others" contributed as well. To be fair to CBS (even though it irks me to do it) they did run a brief clip of somebody saying it was "big money Easterners trying to force their values on the people of Colorado". right at the end of the segment.
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Bloomberg must have gulped mighty big after this one.
Good job to all concerned. Politico story: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...566.html?hp=r5 Statement by idiot: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0....html?hp=r5_b1 According to her - it was an evil plan of voter suppression. But a left leaning polling group suppressed a poll indicating their upcoming loss. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0....html?hp=r5_b2 Quote:
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September 11, 2013, 11:06 AM | #31 |
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Ready. . .Aim. . .Fired!
Congratulations Colorado. Now is the time to focus on the others.
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This recall result should send a clear message to politicians all across the country...but I doubt it will!
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September 11, 2013, 11:34 AM | #33 |
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Congrats to Colorado. Living in CA, and still reeling from the insane bills which passed our legislature yesterday, this is a welcome bit of good news.
This will have national implications, and that's the most important thing. Representatives that actually need to represent their constituents? What a radical concept! |
September 11, 2013, 11:48 AM | #34 |
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It's interesting and significant to note that, although the NRA and Bloomberg's contributions to this effort where nearly equivalent, that the anti-gunners out spent the recall effort by a factor of TEN! This makes gun control support an EXTREMELY expensive proposition, with a quite uncertain outcome.
This ought to be daunting to those looking to contribute to anti gun efforts. Although ideologues will support their causes with wildly generous amounts of cash, NO ONE like to to throw it away. |
September 11, 2013, 12:01 PM | #35 |
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Fantastic work out there in Colorado!! Amazing. Congratulations on pushing back the statist tide.
I hope this blunts the effect of Bloombergs' money when he goes into other states in the future. Hopefully local politicians will think twice before they take his money and vote for more gun restrictions. I too remember well the 1994 wave of freshmen Republicans as a result of the AWB being passed. At the national level that reverberated even to this day. Bloomberg tried to take the assault on rights to the state level. Hopefully Colorado citizens have put the brakes on that strategy. Well done!
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I think many Coloradans who opposed the recall were not defending Morse and Giron (though many were). Comments I read had to do with waiting for the normal election cycle, and with the cost of a recall during a weak economy.
I think the logical error was in assuming that all those who were opposed to the recall were necessarily Morse or Giron supporters. |
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Dave Kopel has an excellent summary of the situation over at the Volokh Conspiracy.
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Thanks for the link to Kopel's piece, Tom
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September 11, 2013, 02:41 PM | #40 |
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Meanwhile, over at MayorsAgainstIllegalGuns.com, the silence is deafening.
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So, what are the chances of a repeal of the recent gun laws in Colorado? I'd love to see the up-or-down votes now.
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I went to MAIG's website out of curiosity prompted by motorhead's comment. Now I find something equally curious: Is there any relation between Mayor Bob Muckle of Louisville, CO and Mayor Andrew Muckle of Superior, CO?
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good job
Would be nice if New Jersey citizens would react the same way.
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I don't think the the Conservative vs. Liberal viewpoints are so clear-cut when it comes to gun rights in Western states. I believe that there is a substantial bloc of TX voters who lean left on social and economic issues but are also staunchly pro-gun. I believe that these folks vote for the left-leaning candidate when he or she takes a positive or at least neutral stance on gun rights, but will readily hold their noses and change their vote when it becomes clear that "their" candidate is actually an anti-gun crusader. I think we've just seen this bloc of voters come out in force in CO. Despite how one might view the PPP overall, I believe that they "tilted" the poll discussed in the third Politico article linked by Glenn Meyer, thus proving they are a force to be reckoned with. This is a Good Thing for gun rights in the big picture.
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First of all congratulations to Colorado an all you Denver fans .
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The results of these two recalls might serve as that proverbial object lesson to others, it is so hoped, but one never knows. That having been said, the following might be worthy of note, I think it is.
1. Recall petitions, as I understand it, were circulated for other Colorado legislators. Sufficient signatures were not obtained for the others. 2. In one of the two recall elections held, recall prevailed by 343 votes, from what I heard on a newscast earlier today, that's pretty close. 3. The success of the two recall elections might serve as a kick in the teeth to Colorado and out-of-state anti gun money men, think Mayor Bloomberg, who supposedly put up $350,000. 4. In conclusion, I would say that Colorado pro gun forces deserve congratulations for delivering what is hoped to be a valuable and long lasting object lesson, a lesson that might be described, as the French sometimes put it, "For The Encouragement of Others". |
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Then again, I didn't think the chances were good for recalling Morse, either. So take my prediction with a grain of salt
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September 11, 2013, 06:02 PM | #50 |
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Bernie Herpin is a board member of the Pikes Peak Firearms Coalition. 'nuff said.
The chances of overturning the gun laws passed in the 2012 session are Zero! The Democrat majority in the CO House and Senate, plus the Democrat Govenor will make that a moot point. However, the following year election will be very interesting! |
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