My now confirmed, accuracy load (wowza!)

WWWJD · May 2, 2012, 08:47 PM

A few weeks ago I did some ladder testing with the .308, and settled on what I was going to make more of for longer ranges. They DID NOT disappoint.

Rifle is a Remington 700 SPS Tactical 20", HS Precision stock, Vortex Viper PST scope, Jewell Trigger.

5 Shots at 200 yards (one flier because a guy next to me rattled my brain with a .270 just before my trigger break)... those are 1" squares, which puts this group in 1/4'ish MOA territory. My new personal best.

Now for the good one.... two 5 shot groups at 300 yards; 5 to the left first, followed by a scope tweak, and then five more low and center. Again.. in the Minute of Rediculous territory.. and a tie for new personal best!

These are once fired, Federal Premium Brass, neck sized only, CCI #200 primer, 43.2gr Hodgdon Varget, 168gr Sierra Match Kings set to 2.825" OAL (because magazine length is 2.83"), and a mild crimp (because I wanted to see what that would do). It didn't hurt!

I'm pretty stoked.

Misssissippi Dave · May 2, 2012, 09:15 PM

Add up your total cost to load these rounds. Is it even possible to buy factory ammo that will do as well for twice the price? I think not. It is times like this to make you want to know why you didn't start doing this earlier, Right?

Well done.

Sarge · May 2, 2012, 09:25 PM

I do believe I would leave that load alone, WWWJD. Fine shooting, too.

MS Dave nailed the secondary reason why I reload; but the primary is consistency. Ammo outfits market droves of new loads each year and eventually, old stand-bys get weeded out. Not for me. Regardless of the political climate, supply/demand factors etc. I will always be able to load up with ammo, secure in the knowledge that it will shoot exactly the same way it did 20 years ago.

Nobody makes ammo that suits me better than the ammo I make for myself.

mrawesome22 · May 2, 2012, 10:15 PM

I'd start putting the bullet closer to the rifling in small increments and loading single.

Your smile might get bigger and bigger.

Sent from my Wildfire S using Tapatalk 2

Kayser · May 2, 2012, 10:46 PM

It's great to see you experiencing the amazing different reloads make. With rifles, it's nothing short of astounding.

MOshooter65202 · May 3, 2012, 08:33 PM

It looks like you found a good load for a very good rifle

huntinaz · May 3, 2012, 10:19 PM

Lookin' good!

armoredman · May 3, 2012, 10:43 PM

Beautiful - I wish I could do so well.

WWWJD · May 4, 2012, 07:58 AM

Thanks guys; it's definitely been a great experience so far! Now i'm going to try the same thing with some Nosler Ballistic Tips... based on the ladder testing I did the other day... it's going to go just as well. Which would be sweet cause I can hunt with those, and they're cheaper.

AllenJ · May 4, 2012, 09:57 AM

That is some really nice shooting. Can't wait to see the NBT results.

frank_1947 · May 4, 2012, 04:21 PM

nice , but 1 inch group at 200 yards is 1/2 moa not 1/4 it goes like this

1 moa AT 100 yards is 1.047
1 moa at 200 yards is 2.094 just keep mutiplyin by 1.047 and single digit for yards like 600 yards is 6x 1.047=6.282 if you shot a 3 inch group at 600 yards that would be .477 moa

here is the formula you can put this in excel it is really handy

Group in inches divided by 1.047 divided by yards in single digit

example
group is one inch at 300 yards

1/1.047=.9551/3=.3183 that is .3 MOA

So useing excel and any three boxes would look like this

=SUM(A2/B2/D2)

I have a huge bunch of formulas I have created in excel if anyone wants them my pleasure to email to you .

I have one for your mildot scope for holdover and value change at distance beyond 100 yards and value change for variable scopes in mils or moa

Example for this is if your scope ranges at 22 power then 1 mil is 3.6 inches but when you increase power to say 35 then from one dot to the other dot is now only 2.26 inch for 1 mil and it goes further as you increase yardage.

WWWJD · May 4, 2012, 05:23 PM

Frank, not counting the flyer, that 200 yard group is just a shade over a 1/2" center to center on the vertical axis... so just a shade over 1/4 MOA. I know all to well how the math works. I don't like to count flyers... in my head the cheating is justified... cause I still landed 4 right on top of each other.

Stop trying to bust my joy bubble!!

I made by own MIL-DOT calculator BTW.. didn't want to pay for one and needed a log scale refresher. I was bored. Feel free to print on photo-paper, cut out and glue up. Just be fore-warned that it's not really calibrated to anything. Used some drop data off of Federals web page for the match kings.

WWWJD · May 4, 2012, 05:35 PM

Here's another one that uses the LINEST function... enter the bullet flight path info across the top... and use the sliders to enter observed MIL height, target size.. etc. Cant remember what I was doing with that bottom slider... but anyways...

I digress.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B1p...TJHRXdVRDNTWkk

frank_1947 · May 4, 2012, 06:24 PM

oh ok didnt know you wernt counting flyer. yeh i have a medal thing or card what ever you want to call it also, I have all my on my phone being a windows phone excel is handy.

I tried that link to the xel file wouldnt go.

May 2, 2012, 08:47 PM	#1
WWWJD Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Central KY Posts: 552	My now confirmed, accuracy load (wowza!) A few weeks ago I did some ladder testing with the .308, and settled on what I was going to make more of for longer ranges. They DID NOT disappoint. Rifle is a Remington 700 SPS Tactical 20", HS Precision stock, Vortex Viper PST scope, Jewell Trigger. 5 Shots at 200 yards (one flier because a guy next to me rattled my brain with a .270 just before my trigger break)... those are 1" squares, which puts this group in 1/4'ish MOA territory. My new personal best. Now for the good one.... two 5 shot groups at 300 yards; 5 to the left first, followed by a scope tweak, and then five more low and center. Again.. in the Minute of Rediculous territory.. and a tie for new personal best! These are once fired, Federal Premium Brass, neck sized only, CCI #200 primer, 43.2gr Hodgdon Varget, 168gr Sierra Match Kings set to 2.825" OAL (because magazine length is 2.83"), and a mild crimp (because I wanted to see what that would do). It didn't hurt! I'm pretty stoked. __________________ *~Mark* NRA Endowment FTW

May 2, 2012, 09:25 PM	#3
Sarge Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: MO Posts: 5,457	I do believe I would leave that load alone, WWWJD. Fine shooting, too. MS Dave nailed the secondary reason why I reload; but the primary is consistency. Ammo outfits market droves of new loads each year and eventually, old stand-bys get weeded out. Not for me. Regardless of the political climate, supply/demand factors etc. I will always be able to load up with ammo, secure in the knowledge that it will shoot exactly the same way it did 20 years ago. Nobody makes ammo that suits me better than the ammo I make for myself. __________________ People were smarter before the Internet, or imbeciles were harder to notice.

May 2, 2012, 10:46 PM	#5
Kayser Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2002 Location: Illinois :( Posts: 550	It's great to see you experiencing the amazing different reloads make. With rifles, it's nothing short of astounding. __________________ ----------------- Box Of Truth Afficionado!

May 3, 2012, 10:19 PM	#7
huntinaz Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2010 Location: az Posts: 1,332	Lookin' good! __________________ "When there’s lead in the air, there’s hope in the heart”- Hunter’s Proverb "Feed me, or feed me to something. I just want to be part of the food chain." -Al Bundy

May 4, 2012, 07:58 AM	#9
WWWJD Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Central KY Posts: 552	Thanks guys; it's definitely been a great experience so far! Now i'm going to try the same thing with some Nosler Ballistic Tips... based on the ladder testing I did the other day... it's going to go just as well. Which would be sweet cause I can hunt with those, and they're cheaper. __________________ *~Mark* NRA Endowment FTW

May 2, 2012, 09:15 PM	#2
Misssissippi Dave Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2009 Posts: 1,411	Add up your total cost to load these rounds. Is it even possible to buy factory ammo that will do as well for twice the price? I think not. It is times like this to make you want to know why you didn't start doing this earlier, Right? Well done.

May 2, 2012, 10:15 PM	#4
mrawesome22 Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2005 Location: Ohio, Appalachia's foothills. Posts: 3,779	I'd start putting the bullet closer to the rifling in small increments and loading single. Your smile might get bigger and bigger. Sent from my Wildfire S using Tapatalk 2

May 3, 2012, 08:33 PM	#6
MOshooter65202 Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2011 Posts: 471	It looks like you found a good load for a very good rifle

May 3, 2012, 10:43 PM	#8
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,295	Beautiful - I wish I could do so well.

May 4, 2012, 09:57 AM	#10
AllenJ Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2009 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,766	That is some really nice shooting. Can't wait to see the NBT results.

May 4, 2012, 04:21 PM	#11
frank_1947 Member Join Date: August 9, 2008 Location: MO Posts: 76	nice , but 1 inch group at 200 yards is 1/2 moa not 1/4 it goes like this 1 moa AT 100 yards is 1.047 1 moa at 200 yards is 2.094 just keep mutiplyin by 1.047 and single digit for yards like 600 yards is 6x 1.047=6.282 if you shot a 3 inch group at 600 yards that would be .477 moa here is the formula you can put this in excel it is really handy Group in inches divided by 1.047 divided by yards in single digit example group is one inch at 300 yards 1/1.047=.9551/3=.3183 that is .3 MOA So useing excel and any three boxes would look like this =SUM(A2/B2/D2) I have a huge bunch of formulas I have created in excel if anyone wants them my pleasure to email to you . I have one for your mildot scope for holdover and value change at distance beyond 100 yards and value change for variable scopes in mils or moa Example for this is if your scope ranges at 22 power then 1 mil is 3.6 inches but when you increase power to say 35 then from one dot to the other dot is now only 2.26 inch for 1 mil and it goes further as you increase yardage. __________________ Frank NRA Certified Rifle Inst. Last edited by frank_1947; May 4, 2012 at 04:41 PM.

May 4, 2012, 05:35 PM	#13
WWWJD Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Central KY Posts: 552	Here's another one that uses the LINEST function... enter the bullet flight path info across the top... and use the sliders to enter observed MIL height, target size.. etc. Cant remember what I was doing with that bottom slider... but anyways... I digress. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B1p...TJHRXdVRDNTWkk __________________ *~Mark* NRA Endowment FTW

May 4, 2012, 06:24 PM	#14
frank_1947 Member Join Date: August 9, 2008 Location: MO Posts: 76	oh ok didnt know you wernt counting flyer. yeh i have a medal thing or card what ever you want to call it also, I have all my on my phone being a windows phone excel is handy. I tried that link to the xel file wouldnt go. __________________ Frank NRA Certified Rifle Inst.

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