Looking for ideas for a submachine gun

KC9LDB · March 7, 2010, 05:43 PM

I love the looks of the TEC-9/AP-9, Dont like the idea of it being a throw-away gun, (I heard that the firing pins break after 5000 rounds.) I dont like the sights on MAC-11 types. So with that being said, what else do I have to choose from. I heard good about specter and calico. Is there anything else out there?

dajowi · March 7, 2010, 06:38 PM

The Calico Light Weapon Systems (LWS) circa 1990 is not available for Civilian sales.

Versions of the SITES "Spectre" M4 sub-machinegun specifically made for the civilian market have been around since the middle 1980s and up to the late 1990s, their production suffering a major backlash when the US Assault Weapons Ban prohibited the import and sale of them on the American market. In any event the GCA of 1968 bans the sale of full auto weapons manufactured after that date to civilians.

Prices on full auto weapons are "sky high" with the lowest prices generally being asked for those weapons in the MAC, (Military Armament Corp.) line.

shepherddogs · March 7, 2010, 06:43 PM

GCA of 1968 did not prevent the sale of new machineguns to the public. That did not happen until Reagan was president.

David Hineline · March 7, 2010, 06:53 PM

First off do you understand that in Illinois unless you are issued a weapon by a Police dept. or are a Law Enf. NFA firearms dealer/manufacturer you can not as an individual buy any NFA item?

The MACs are fine once you put a Lage upper on them.

The other guns you speak of are LE only so you need to do more research on the process.

greyson97 · March 7, 2010, 07:03 PM

thats based off a TMP
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...ducts_id/14902

as for the calico, i saw one on sale at buds for like 700 in a 50 round 9mm
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/51903
but its gone now...

http://classicarms.us/
scroll down or do a ctrl + f for calico
theres a 9mm calico for... 549 but thats the rifle

everything i posted is civy legal since they're semi only. your just gonna have to pull the trigger really fast or head to the NFA forum

heres another neat one:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/58054

and how do you feel about ar-15 pistol variants? they have both 9mm and .223 ar-15 pistols, both with 30 round mags for maximum mayhem
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/55983
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/15351
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/23581

or a tommy gun pistol
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/52708

Bill DeShivs · March 7, 2010, 08:37 PM

I think you are confused about the term "submachine gun." The Tec/AP guns are semiautomatic pistols. If the firing pin breaks, you could simply replace it.

johnwilliamson062 · March 7, 2010, 11:35 PM

I hae not been happy with the condition descriptions of some of the things I bought from classic arms. I would avoid that suggestion.

And it does seem you just mean a semi-auto pistol with a large mag not in the hand grip. Basically something that looks like a SMG but not really NFA.

March 7, 2010, 05:43 PM	#1
KC9LDB Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2009 Location: Woodridge, IL Posts: 147	Looking for ideas for a submachine gun I love the looks of the TEC-9/AP-9, Dont like the idea of it being a throw-away gun, (I heard that the firing pins break after 5000 rounds.) I dont like the sights on MAC-11 types. So with that being said, what else do I have to choose from. I heard good about specter and calico. Is there anything else out there?

March 7, 2010, 07:03 PM	#5
greyson97 Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,284	thats based off a TMP https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...ducts_id/14902 as for the calico, i saw one on sale at buds for like 700 in a 50 round 9mm http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/51903 but its gone now... http://classicarms.us/ scroll down or do a ctrl + f for calico theres a 9mm calico for... 549 but thats the rifle everything i posted is civy legal since they're semi only. your just gonna have to pull the trigger really fast or head to the NFA forum heres another neat one: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/58054 and how do you feel about ar-15 pistol variants? they have both 9mm and .223 ar-15 pistols, both with 30 round mags for maximum mayhem http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/55983 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/15351 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/23581 or a tommy gun pistol http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/52708 __________________ "Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." -Heavy si vis pacem, para bellum Last edited by greyson97; March 7, 2010 at 07:11 PM.

March 7, 2010, 08:37 PM	#6
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	I think you are confused about the term "submachine gun." The Tec/AP guns are semiautomatic pistols. If the firing pin breaks, you could simply replace it. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

March 7, 2010, 06:38 PM	#2
dajowi Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Posts: 1,196	The Calico Light Weapon Systems (LWS) circa 1990 is not available for Civilian sales. Versions of the SITES "Spectre" M4 sub-machinegun specifically made for the civilian market have been around since the middle 1980s and up to the late 1990s, their production suffering a major backlash when the US Assault Weapons Ban prohibited the import and sale of them on the American market. In any event the GCA of 1968 bans the sale of full auto weapons manufactured after that date to civilians. Prices on full auto weapons are "sky high" with the lowest prices generally being asked for those weapons in the MAC, (Military Armament Corp.) line.

March 7, 2010, 06:43 PM	#3
shepherddogs Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2007 Posts: 1,007	GCA of 1968 did not prevent the sale of new machineguns to the public. That did not happen until Reagan was president.

March 7, 2010, 06:53 PM	#4
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 704	First off do you understand that in Illinois unless you are issued a weapon by a Police dept. or are a Law Enf. NFA firearms dealer/manufacturer you can not as an individual buy any NFA item? The MACs are fine once you put a Lage upper on them. The other guns you speak of are LE only so you need to do more research on the process.

March 7, 2010, 11:35 PM	#7
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I hae not been happy with the condition descriptions of some of the things I bought from classic arms. I would avoid that suggestion. And it does seem you just mean a semi-auto pistol with a large mag not in the hand grip. Basically something that looks like a SMG but not really NFA.