The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The North Corral > Black Powder and Cowboy Action Shooting

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old April 2, 2012, 10:38 PM   #1
khemenway_2001
Junior Member
 
Join Date: November 24, 2010
Posts: 6
Original 1858 REmington New Army Load data help

ive read the forum on load data for the replicas is there a difference in loads for an original i have Speer .451 balls and some remington 100 (f.c.) percussion caps is that correct to use also i have some IMR trailboss powder i use for my .45 long colt is that a good powder to use and how much thanks
khemenway_2001 is offline  
Old April 2, 2012, 10:55 PM   #2
bubba15301
Member
 
Join Date: May 10, 2009
Location: pa
Posts: 75
DO NOT use trailboss powder ! only use blackpowder or a blackpowder substitute. Try 30 grains of blackpowder with a .454 ball
bubba15301 is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 04:36 PM   #3
Doug Bowser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 6, 2005
Posts: 163
ou will blow the riginal Remmington sky high. I use 25 gr FFFG BP with a .454" RB in my Uberti 1858 repro.

Doug
Doug Bowser is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 04:59 PM   #4
Hardy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 6, 2009
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 709
454 ball/wad w/ 32 grains of pyrodex OR /28 to 30 grains real bp
Hardy is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 05:27 PM   #5
Hawg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 8, 2007
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 16,177
Those .451's are going to be too small for an original. They're iffy in newer clones. I disremember what size original chambers are but I'm thinking .457 would be the best fit. Best bet is mic the chambers and use balls a couple of thousandths over that.
Hawg is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 05:31 PM   #6
Slamfire
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 27, 2007
Posts: 5,261
An original Civil War pistol is very old. If it was made of steel, it was plain carbon steels, and the steels of that era were very inconsistent.

Until you study metal history you just don’t realize how primitive the process controls and how little they knew about steel and its chemistry.

What stresses, corrosive environment, your pistol has experienced in 150 years, you don’t know. It is a safe assumption that your pistol is not as strong as it was when it came out of the factory.

I would not load the thing to max. I would not load the thing at all. You are just going to add wear to something that cannot be replaced and there are lots of better made replicas on the market. And they are all worth less than an original.
__________________
If I'm not shooting, I'm reloading.
Slamfire is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 05:41 PM   #7
Hawg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 8, 2007
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 16,177
No harm in shooting an original as long as it's in good shape.
Hawg is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 07:08 PM   #8
arcticap
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 15, 2005
Location: Central Connecticut
Posts: 3,166
Quote:
Originally Posted by khemenway_2001
IMR trailboss powder i use for my .45 long colt is that a good powder to use and how much thanks
Repeat - IMR Trail Boss powder is only for use in brass cartridges.

Hodgdon provides a free reloading data center that provides data for cartridge loads only.

http://www.hodgdon.com/basic-manual-inquiry.html

Last edited by arcticap; April 5, 2012 at 07:15 PM.
arcticap is offline  
Old April 5, 2012, 07:29 PM   #9
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 41,374
Corrected Correction -=- IMR Trail Boss powder is only for use in brass cartridges in firearms that are suitable for use with smokeless powder.
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old April 8, 2012, 09:53 PM   #10
capper
Member
 
Join Date: April 2, 2012
Location: Turners Falls, MA
Posts: 63
I agree with hardy. The only differences I see are, I use 25 gr equiv. of pyrodex P(fff equiv.), and a.451 ball/wad,and #10 caps. real good accuracy and no problems.
capper is offline  
Old April 8, 2012, 10:13 PM   #11
Hawg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 8, 2007
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 16,177
Quote:
a.451 ball/wad,and #10 caps.

I'm tellin ya those .451's are gonna be too small for an original. Heck they're too small for most newer clones.
Hawg is offline  
Old April 10, 2012, 11:58 AM   #12
Black Powder
Member
 
Join Date: October 2, 2010
Location: Slovakia
Posts: 15
load data for original

Remington Revolver cal.44 Model 1858 8"
Length: 14 Inches
Weight: 2 ¾ pounds
Caliber 44 (.451")
Bullet Weight: 138 grains
Power Charge: 38 grains
Muzzle Velocity: 725 feet per second
Muzzle Energy: 160 foot pounds

http://coolgunsite.com/pistols/rem18...page_m1861.htm
http://www.hackman-adams.com/guns/44remington.htm
http://www.hackman-adams.com/guns/
__________________
I am sorry for grammar, I write over PC Translator.
Starr SA 1863 .44 org.,Whitney Navy .36 org.,Colt Lightning .44-40 org., Bozard & Co. Hammerless 12ga org.,Colt 12ga.org.,GEW 88,Tryon .45 DP,Sharps Carbine and Sporting .45 IAB,D.H.Hilliard .40,Barlow .40,Cub Dixie DeLux .32 DP,Colt 1861 Special Musket .58,Undehammer Billinghurst .40 &.451,Gallager .54,Hatfield .32 Carb.& Long DP,Shotgun Coach 12ga.DP, Tingle Pallmetto.36

Last edited by Black Powder; April 11, 2012 at 03:21 AM.
Black Powder is offline  
Old April 22, 2012, 10:50 PM   #13
khemenway_2001
Junior Member
 
Join Date: November 24, 2010
Posts: 6
wow thanks for all the great info all i havn't decided if im going to fire the gun yet but id like to it all seems to be in fairly good condition but i will give it some more thought maybe take it to the next gun show and have some one more qualified look at it
khemenway_2001 is offline  
Old April 24, 2012, 09:09 AM   #14
freedom475
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2008
Location: Rocky Mountains of Montana
Posts: 292
Pictures!!! Pictures!!...Please man, show us some pictures of that Remington

I'll bet you would enjoy fireing it a few times...Use Real Black Powder (substitutes are hotter according to my chronograph and usually more corrosive than real BP), Use Round Balls,(.457's would probly work, but just measure the cylinder throughts to be sure the ball is bigger than the hole) and Don't cram it full of powder..22-25grains of 2ff or 3fff will be just fine.
__________________
Maker of Horse Tack and Cowboy Gear.
www.7xleather.com

Mister, why do you carry a 45? "Cause Sam Colt don't make a 46."

Last edited by freedom475; April 24, 2012 at 09:16 AM.
freedom475 is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2021 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.07542 seconds with 10 queries