Gee, maybe I should use some of that "smokeless blackpowder"...

Snowdog · February 24, 2002, 03:25 PM

I've been told that there is a "smokeless" blackpowder on the market by a coworker. From my understanding, all that's new is the Clean Shot and Clear Shot that are simply less corrosive and fouls the action to a lesser degree.

Am I missing anything here? Is there actually a smokeless powder intended for use in blackpowder firearms?

Thanks.

ed mason · February 24, 2002, 06:27 PM

He could be talking out of the left side of a orifice or he could be talking about the new Savage Muzzleloader that allows the
use of certain smokeless powders.

jjmorgan64 · February 24, 2002, 07:47 PM

What's the point??

I load it up in my vaquero just for the smoke

cookhj · February 24, 2002, 10:21 PM

snowdog and ed are both right. clean shot makes a blackpowder substitute that's not as corrosive and doesn't foul as much as blackpowder.
also, savage does have a "muzzleloader" that can use both black or smokeless powder.

jjmorgan64 · February 24, 2002, 10:30 PM

FWIW i really like the goex clear shot.

I loaded up a bunch of 45 colts, and they shot just like pyrodex, loaded up my bp revolver and shot a bunch up 3 weeks ago, havn't cleaned it (doing a test) still not a bit of rust, guess it's time to clean it now.

Salt · February 25, 2002, 12:58 AM

Whats the point?

Guns are supposed to be cleaned at the end of the day.

Cap n ball · February 25, 2002, 10:06 AM

A 'silent' or bang-less black powder substitute would be more useful...especially for turkey hunting. Cleaning up is part of the ritual.

jpm63 · February 25, 2002, 12:05 PM

Hogdon has a new powder out which is not smokless, but is supposed to be non-corosive like Clean Shot.

I have no first (or second) hand real info on it yet. May try it this summer for fun.

JPM

BluRidgDav · February 26, 2002, 08:22 PM

If we could just find a way to hold the powder, ball and cap together in one self contained package, we could solve this pesky muzzleloading PROBLEM!!!
Maybe a thin, hollowed out piece of brass would work?

ed mason · February 27, 2002, 12:14 PM

I think that jpm is right.the stuff that the post was about is from Hodgen and its called Triple 7
http://www.hodgdon.com/products/tripleseven/index.htm

If the Hodgen company is right about its claims its going to come much closer to smokeless powder in a muzzleloader than
anything else on the market.

For what it is worth I have tried the clear shot from goex and was not impressed.Velositys and burn rates where very uneven
and the stuff can be contaminated very easy by tc bore butter.I have never had a misfire from pyrodex or blackpowder with
the use of bore butter in the past and the first time I ever tried the clear shot I have a misfire.It also takes a hot ignition source to
set the stuff off properly (musket cap or hotter).

Snowdog · February 28, 2002, 12:42 PM

Quote:

If we could just find a way to hold the powder, ball and cap together in one self contained package, we could solve this pesky muzzleloading PROBLEM!!!
Maybe a thin, hollowed out piece of brass would work?

No BluRidgDav... it doesn't appear to be plausible. Sorry to debunk your idea so callously.

To those that wouldn't have guessed, the post was to substantiate the exsistance of a product that I was skeptical exsisted at all.

February 24, 2002, 03:25 PM	#1
Snowdog Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2001 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 1,074	Gee, maybe I should use some of that "smokeless blackpowder"... I've been told that there is a "smokeless" blackpowder on the market by a coworker. From my understanding, all that's new is the Clean Shot and Clear Shot that are simply less corrosive and fouls the action to a lesser degree. Am I missing anything here? Is there actually a smokeless powder intended for use in blackpowder firearms? Thanks. __________________ "What We Do In Life, Echoes In Eternity" -Gladiator- ************************* Brevity Is The Soul of Wit. -Shakespeare- Last edited by Snowdog; February 24, 2002 at 04:21 PM.

February 24, 2002, 07:47 PM	#3
jjmorgan64 Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2001 Posts: 519	Smokeless Black Powder What's the point?? I load it up in my vaquero just for the smoke __________________ The Forty-Four spoke and it sent lead and smoke And seventeen inches of flame. -Marty Robbins JM

February 24, 2002, 10:30 PM	#5
jjmorgan64 Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2001 Posts: 519	FWIW i really like the goex clear shot. I loaded up a bunch of 45 colts, and they shot just like pyrodex, loaded up my bp revolver and shot a bunch up 3 weeks ago, havn't cleaned it (doing a test) still not a bit of rust, guess it's time to clean it now. __________________ The Forty-Four spoke and it sent lead and smoke And seventeen inches of flame. -Marty Robbins JM

February 25, 2002, 12:05 PM	#8
jpm63 Member Join Date: March 26, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 75	New Hogdon Powder Hogdon has a new powder out which is not smokless, but is supposed to be non-corosive like Clean Shot. I have no first (or second) hand real info on it yet. May try it this summer for fun. JPM

February 26, 2002, 08:22 PM	#9
BluRidgDav Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2001 Posts: 314	If we could just find a way to hold the powder, ball and cap together in one self contained package, we could solve this pesky muzzleloading PROBLEM!!! Maybe a thin, hollowed out piece of brass would work? __________________ Watch your top-knot.

February 24, 2002, 06:27 PM	#2
ed mason Member Join Date: October 23, 2001 Posts: 67	He could be talking out of the left side of a orifice or he could be talking about the new Savage Muzzleloader that allows the use of certain smokeless powders.

February 24, 2002, 10:21 PM	#4
cookhj Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2001 Posts: 330	snowdog and ed are both right. clean shot makes a blackpowder substitute that's not as corrosive and doesn't foul as much as blackpowder. also, savage does have a "muzzleloader" that can use both black or smokeless powder.

February 25, 2002, 12:58 AM	#6
Salt Junior member Join Date: December 26, 2001 Posts: 673	Whats the point? Guns are supposed to be cleaned at the end of the day.

February 25, 2002, 10:06 AM	#7
Cap n ball Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2000 Posts: 247	A 'silent' or bang-less black powder substitute would be more useful...especially for turkey hunting. Cleaning up is part of the ritual.

February 27, 2002, 12:14 PM	#10
ed mason Member Join Date: October 23, 2001 Posts: 67	I think that jpm is right.the stuff that the post was about is from Hodgen and its called Triple 7 http://www.hodgdon.com/products/tripleseven/index.htm If the Hodgen company is right about its claims its going to come much closer to smokeless powder in a muzzleloader than anything else on the market. For what it is worth I have tried the clear shot from goex and was not impressed.Velositys and burn rates where very uneven and the stuff can be contaminated very easy by tc bore butter.I have never had a misfire from pyrodex or blackpowder with the use of bore butter in the past and the first time I ever tried the clear shot I have a misfire.It also takes a hot ignition source to set the stuff off properly (musket cap or hotter).