Hornady 45-70 leverevolution cases

vbk1969 · November 23, 2009, 09:15 PM

I have some spent leverevolution cases and they measure 2.030" compared to the 2.095' on a winchester case with hollow points fatory rounds. Can i still load the smallers hornady cases with honady 300gr hollow points. Or do i need to reload the 325grn FTX bullets in the shorter cases. The Hornady Manual says trim cases to 2.095 for the hornady 300grn hollow points. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks Brent

mapsjanhere · November 23, 2009, 09:21 PM

Wow, a 24" cartridge (just kidding). Since the 45-70 headspaces on the rim the slightly shorter case shouldn't make a difference; unless it gives you issue loading, e.g. from a lever action with tubular magazine.

vbk1969 · November 23, 2009, 09:27 PM

I will be shooting the shells from a NEF Handi Rifle single shot. Thanks for the reply.Brent

steveno · November 24, 2009, 04:38 AM

I have found that the cases Hornady uses for 45 Colt and 357 mag flextip ammo is also about .050 shorter than standard. I have heard that it so they can keep the cartridge oal standard while using the flextip bullets. I don't know if that is fact but just what I have heard.

Magnum Wheel Man · November 24, 2009, 10:02 AM

I have some L.E. ammo & it shot fine, but IMO, Hornady really dropped the ball, they should not be able to call that ammo 45-70, if the cases are shorter than SAMMI specifications...

if reloading, start out ( at least) 10% reduced... the shorter cases can / will increase cartridge pressures over standard length cases... with all the new reloaders out there, there is a serious probability that someone may destroy a weaker action gun, with medium loads & Hornady cases causing higher than expected case pressures

Christchild · November 24, 2009, 02:15 PM

I've understood that the reasons the case is shorter on the LE cartridges is because the Ogive is longer on the LE bullets. The shorter case is needed so the crimp isn't on the Ogive. The way I see it, if the LE bullets shoot fine from the shorter case, a Flat Nosed bullet with the same, or more, bullet shank (full caliber, straight shank...of course) will be just fine, as long as they feed. Which, if they fed well with the LE's, they should feed equally as well with other bullets, IMHO.

B78-22250 · November 24, 2009, 05:48 PM

Just seat bullet cannelure .065 out from case. Work up load as usual. We are only talking about a 1/16" case reduction.

November 23, 2009, 09:15 PM	#1
vbk1969 Member Join Date: May 3, 2009 Location: North MS Posts: 58	Hornady 45-70 leverevolution cases I have some spent leverevolution cases and they measure 2.030" compared to the 2.095' on a winchester case with hollow points fatory rounds. Can i still load the smallers hornady cases with honady 300gr hollow points. Or do i need to reload the 325grn FTX bullets in the shorter cases. The Hornady Manual says trim cases to 2.095 for the hornady 300grn hollow points. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks Brent

November 23, 2009, 09:21 PM	#2
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	Wow, a 24" cartridge (just kidding). Since the 45-70 headspaces on the rim the slightly shorter case shouldn't make a difference; unless it gives you issue loading, e.g. from a lever action with tubular magazine. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

November 24, 2009, 10:02 AM	#5
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	a big 45-70 fan... not a big fan of shorter than SAMMI length cases... I have some L.E. ammo & it shot fine, but IMO, Hornady really dropped the ball, they should not be able to call that ammo 45-70, if the cases are shorter than SAMMI specifications... if reloading, start out ( at least) 10% reduced... the shorter cases can / will increase cartridge pressures over standard length cases... with all the new reloaders out there, there is a serious probability that someone may destroy a weaker action gun, with medium loads & Hornady cases causing higher than expected case pressures __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust... Last edited by Magnum Wheel Man; November 24, 2009 at 05:57 PM.

November 24, 2009, 05:48 PM	#7
B78-22250 Member Join Date: May 24, 2009 Location: Eden NC Posts: 56	case's Just seat bullet cannelure .065 out from case. Work up load as usual. We are only talking about a 1/16" case reduction.

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November 23, 2009, 09:27 PM	#3
vbk1969 Member Join Date: May 3, 2009 Location: North MS Posts: 58	I will be shooting the shells from a NEF Handi Rifle single shot. Thanks for the reply.Brent

November 24, 2009, 04:38 AM	#4
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	I have found that the cases Hornady uses for 45 Colt and 357 mag flextip ammo is also about .050 shorter than standard. I have heard that it so they can keep the cartridge oal standard while using the flextip bullets. I don't know if that is fact but just what I have heard.

November 24, 2009, 02:15 PM	#6
Christchild Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2009 Location: Loadbenchville, Bolt 02770 Posts: 544	I've understood that the reasons the case is shorter on the LE cartridges is because the Ogive is longer on the LE bullets. The shorter case is needed so the crimp isn't on the Ogive. The way I see it, if the LE bullets shoot fine from the shorter case, a Flat Nosed bullet with the same, or more, bullet shank (full caliber, straight shank...of course) will be just fine, as long as they feed. Which, if they fed well with the LE's, they should feed equally as well with other bullets, IMHO.