Huntsville man finds out his antique shotgun/pistol illegal under 1934 law - Page 2

444 · November 2, 2009, 05:53 PM

Very nice.

rdmallory · November 2, 2009, 08:05 PM

My T/C Encore pistol has a 410/45Lc barrel and even has a screw in choke.

Doug

bamaranger · November 20, 2009, 03:10 AM

could have it been a marble game getter?????????

James K · November 20, 2009, 03:38 PM

Believe it or not, most BATFE agents are not JBTs or mindless robocops, but that is a tough law to enforce with any charity. The law simply does not allow for what they did. Everything will work out because they went an extra mile to do the right thing, but I cannot help wondering if they were more concerned with adverse publicity than with trying for real justice.

Jim

Old Wanderer · November 20, 2009, 10:43 PM

Way back in the 1960's I picked up a Ithica 20ga Auto/Burglar gun....I was in California then, and there was a gun store and gun smith every few miles in Los Angeles at that time. (Think I paid about $100 for it).

Other than silencers and full auto, nobody much cared much about what you had.

In the 1970's a "friend" borrowed my Ithica, got a DUI and had it in the car...bye bye gun, otherwise I would probably still have it.

It was a perfect gun if you had a pocket on your door to put it in. Easy to get to if you needed it. I think I settled on #5 buckshot for it.

dewcrew8 · November 21, 2009, 12:17 AM

whats the law about black powder then? i know someone that bought one from a gun shop and nothing was said. dbl barrel , 12 inches of steel and the oal was 24inches. the only thing the shop said is if you shoot it the valuim wood go down on it.it has that gold pictures thing going on it !

dweathers · November 21, 2009, 12:31 AM

What about the "Howdah" pistols Cabelas sells? They're black powder dbl shotgun pistol things. Are they legal because they're black powder?

Bill DeShivs · November 21, 2009, 01:49 AM

Black powder guns are exempt from NFA rules.

63chuck · November 21, 2009, 08:56 PM

I don't buy it. My old auto burglar is illegal. Numerous calls to ATF over a number of years cannot help. Maybe I should call Hyche.

ArcticNemo · November 22, 2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill DeShivs

Black powder guns are exempt from NFA rules.

Muzzleloading guns are exempt. Cartridges are cartridges, regardless of powder type. Unless you push the projectile into the weapon from the same end it will exit from, it is not a muzzleloader. The "inline" guns get a little fuzzy.

Bill DeShivs · November 22, 2009, 02:07 PM

Correct. I was tired....

bcrash15 · November 23, 2009, 08:52 PM

Just to throw this info out, in Alabama, as far as I am aware, SBR and SBS are currently prohibited by state law, so that's probably why this was not ever considered by the concerned parties.

SwampYankee · November 23, 2009, 11:28 PM

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I think a 1:400 twist would be best...

HA! I love it!

My FFL just got a visit from the ATF. They called ahead of time. Normally they do not but so many shops are going out of business they hate to show up and have the store be empty (I guess they'll probably come to your home in that case to take your books). Anyway, the FFL was not pleased about the visit. They had no cause, just a random check.

But he said it went really well. He keeps very good records and they ATF guy was plenty satisfied. The funny part was this ATF guy said something like, "Yeah, I'm not going to rake you over the coals. If you were managed by other agent in the office, we'd be here for days going through these boxes" Apparently they are supposed to check the last 100 transfers. Thoroughly. This guy did half a dozen of them and wrapped up in a couple hours.

freakintoguns · November 24, 2009, 01:29 AM

>sigh< the NFA and AWB are useless....... when will they learn?

November 2, 2009, 05:53 PM	#26
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,968	Very nice. __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

November 20, 2009, 03:10 AM	#28
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,312	what about this could have it been a marble game getter?????????

November 21, 2009, 12:17 AM	#31
dewcrew8 Senior Member Join Date: August 7, 2009 Posts: 214	whats the law about black powder then? i know someone that bought one from a gun shop and nothing was said. dbl barrel , 12 inches of steel and the oal was 24inches. the only thing the shop said is if you shoot it the valuim wood go down on it.it has that gold pictures thing going on it ! Last edited by dewcrew8; November 21, 2009 at 12:35 AM.

November 21, 2009, 01:49 AM	#33
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Black powder guns are exempt from NFA rules. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

November 21, 2009, 08:56 PM	#34
63chuck Junior member Join Date: December 7, 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 29	ATF I don't buy it. My old auto burglar is illegal. Numerous calls to ATF over a number of years cannot help. Maybe I should call Hyche.

November 2, 2009, 08:05 PM	#27
rdmallory Senior Member Join Date: February 10, 2009 Location: Deltona FL Posts: 953	My T/C Encore pistol has a 410/45Lc barrel and even has a screw in choke. Doug

November 20, 2009, 03:38 PM	#29
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Believe it or not, most BATFE agents are not JBTs or mindless robocops, but that is a tough law to enforce with any charity. The law simply does not allow for what they did. Everything will work out because they went an extra mile to do the right thing, but I cannot help wondering if they were more concerned with adverse publicity than with trying for real justice. Jim

November 20, 2009, 10:43 PM	#30
Old Wanderer Member Join Date: December 26, 2008 Location: Bonney Lake, WA Posts: 77	Way back in the 1960's I picked up a Ithica 20ga Auto/Burglar gun....I was in California then, and there was a gun store and gun smith every few miles in Los Angeles at that time. (Think I paid about $100 for it). Other than silencers and full auto, nobody much cared much about what you had. In the 1970's a "friend" borrowed my Ithica, got a DUI and had it in the car...bye bye gun, otherwise I would probably still have it. It was a perfect gun if you had a pocket on your door to put it in. Easy to get to if you needed it. I think I settled on #5 buckshot for it.

November 21, 2009, 12:31 AM	#32
dweathers Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2009 Posts: 8	What about the "Howdah" pistols Cabelas sells? They're black powder dbl shotgun pistol things. Are they legal because they're black powder?

November 22, 2009, 02:07 PM	#36
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Correct. I was tired.... __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

November 23, 2009, 08:52 PM	#37
bcrash15 Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2007 Posts: 455	Just to throw this info out, in Alabama, as far as I am aware, SBR and SBS are currently prohibited by state law, so that's probably why this was not ever considered by the concerned parties.

November 24, 2009, 01:29 AM	#39
freakintoguns Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2008 Posts: 496	>sigh< the NFA and AWB are useless....... when will they learn? __________________ There is one thing Chuck Norris is scared of, thats Clint Eastwood