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July 13, 2013, 11:17 PM | #26 | |||
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776.013 is home protection. The incident did not occur within Zimmerma's home. Does not apply. However ... 776.012 says this: Quote:
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Zimmerman waived his right to an immunity hearing at the beginning of the criminal trial. I remember thinking at the time that what his attorney said sounded odd - that Zimmerman was waiving his right to an immunity hearing "for this trial." I think we may get the chance to watch new precedent being set in Florida. |
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From a purely practical standpoint, a civil suit is about recovering a monetary judgement. I don't know that Zimmerman has anything that would make a civil suit worthwhile, and since it didn't happen on his property, his homeowner's insurance company couldn't be targeted either.
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All gone to his defense team from what I can tell. Estimates I've seen indicate that his defense costs would have been close to half a million had the lawyers not been willing to donate much of their time.
If he does get a book/movie deal, I would expect to see a civil suit then...
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That is true as long as the person bringing the suit either has enough money to make it happen, or can find lawyers willing to work for very little.
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July 14, 2013, 12:12 AM | #35 |
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Zimmermann verdict in. Case for civil suits?
The Martins will have PLENTY of help from various groups if they can/do pursue a civil suit. Lack of funds will not be an issue. NAACP is already lobbying for federal charges.
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Martin was a minor. Can Zimmerman sue his parents for the actions Marting committed and the resulting costs to Zimmerman?
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i'm curious about a civil suit as well.
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Are we speculating on future prospects?
What about civil suits going the other way - like GZ suing whatever tv stations that redacted key elements of the 911 call to make him out to be a big racist? some of those actions directly flavored the public opinion on this thing for some time. I don't know all the potential here, but he has to move to another state, probably hire bodyguards for all his family members, lost weight, etc. I suspect an imaginative soul could go on for some time with ideas. He is going to have some big bills to pay.......
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Given the publicity, politics, and rancor, it's hard to clear one's name after a situation like this.
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I just watched the defense team's post-verdict presser. One of the journalists specifically asked O'Mara about civil immunity, and he quite confidently claimed that in the event of civil litigation, that they would seek and obtain immunity. He obviously didn't see it as an area of great contention.
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Lawsuits; book-movie deals...
The civil actions & Hollywood deals will now be brought out.
To my limited knowledge, GZ & his lawyers filed suit against NBC News for the 911 call statements & the call center information. As noted too, the Martin family already settled a wrongful death civil case with the Sanford HOA for a reported $1,000,000.00. As Mark O'Mara stated in the media briefing, GZ will seek immunity in future civil actions since the jury found him not guilty. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if GZ & his legal team don't go after more media outlets for their 2012 statements & news stories. Zimmerman was labeled a killer a vigalante a stalker etc w/o any trial or hearing. In central Florida then in the national media, he was dragged down & slandered. The Orlando FL news media started to shift back as more facts & testimony came out but if I were GZ, Id still feel more legal action should be considered. George Zimmerman & O'Mara(who started as a media pundit on the case for WKMG-TV just like OJ Simpson's lawyer Johnnie Cochran in the LA area did) will get film/TV & book deals. I'm thinking maybe William H Macy or maybe Matthew Modine could play O'Mara. |
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I was curious how much Zimmerman might get from NBC were he to sue them for doctoring that 911 tape. Or, if he can even sure them for such a thing. I know I certainly would be looking into it.
The FBI report said they found no evidence of this being a race based crime so I am not sure how DOJ can do much of anything, though with Holder in charge nothing would surprise me. |
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It's my understanding that Zimmerman has already sued NBC for the doctored 911 tapes ... don't know where the case stands ... I appreciate all the reasoned explanations of FL law regarding civil suits .. I think he's protected, but that doesn't mean he won't be sued, or that the feds won't come in and try him on a civil rights charge, given Obama interjecting himself into the case before it even went to trial ... this is what you get when a criminal case is turned into a media circus ...
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I was watching Fox just a little while ago and two judges (Judge Jeanine Pirro and Judge Alex E.Ferrer, former Florida Judge, Lawyer, and retired police officer) both said they can bring charges but he is immune because it was self defense and is protected by SYG law under its self defense partition. Who knows if this is 100% accurate or not. What I would expect is a civil rights case from Holder and his goons, saying he profiled Martin.
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I don't think he is immune from civil suit ... yet. I just read an article quoting O'Mara as csmsss wrote in post #43:
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Do you think this trial will adversely affect stand-your-ground laws? I see this verdict putting pressure on proposed laws and possibly on jurisdictions with SYG already on the books.
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