Remington .30 AR cartridge

shootbrownelk · January 8, 2017, 01:12 PM

What happened to the Remington .30 AR? I don't see any ammo for it anymore. It is supposedly a better choice ballistics-wise than the .300BO. Why is it dying?

CarJunkieLS1 · January 8, 2017, 02:55 PM

It beats the brakes off the 300blk ballistically speaking. Poor marketing, poor ammo support, and no brass availability is why it failed.

Rifles chambered for it haven't been made in years. And they aren't easy to find now. I bought mine Nov 2015 it was brand new I got 10 boxes of ammo at that time too. With that brass supply and my set of dies I'll not have to worry about brass for a long time.

O4L · January 8, 2017, 08:14 PM

I don't remember much about the 30 AR. Does it use the same bolt and magazine as 5.56/.223?

I was just thinking recently that I would like to see better option for a 30 caliber AR-15. I forgot all about this one.

fourbore · January 8, 2017, 08:34 PM

I never hear of it either, I found it in wiki. it is a big boy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Remington_AR

This looks a better to me, but it is a smaller case diameter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5mm_Grendel

bedlamite · January 8, 2017, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O4L

I don't remember much about the 30 AR. Does it use the same bolt and magazine as 5.56/.223?

I was just thinking recently that I would like to see better option for a 30 caliber AR-15. I forgot all about this one.

Nope, It uses nonstandard bolt, barrel extension, barrel, and magazine. All of which were only available through Remington. The 300 BO/Whisper/fireball is based on the 223. Good for subsonic, but useful range is limited. If you want a 30cal that offers more from an AR look at the 30 HRT. It's based on the 6.8spc, so barrel, bolt, and mags are different, but all are available from multiple sources.

Mobuck · January 8, 2017, 08:40 PM

"It is supposedly a better choice ballistics-wise than the .300BO"

The 6.8 SPC is better than either.

O4L · January 8, 2017, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fourbore

I never hear of it either, I found it in wiki. it is a big boy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Remington_AR

This looks a better to me, but it is a smaller case diameter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5mm_Grendel

You're right. That 30 AR is a big one.

O4L · January 8, 2017, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bedlamite

Nope, It uses nonstandard bolt, barrel extension, barrel, and magazine. All of which were only available through Remington. The 300 BO/Whisper/fireball is based on the 223. Good for subsonic, but useful range is limited. If you want a 30cal that offers more from an AR look at the 30 HRT. It's based on the 6.8spc, so barrel, bolt, and mags are different, but all are available from multiple sources.

Thanks.

Since there are so many differences, why not go with the AR 10 in .308?

bedlamite · January 8, 2017, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O4L

Thanks.

Since there are so many differences, why not go with the AR 10 in .308?

More variety in parts available, along with less weight, recoil, and cost.

ed308 · January 8, 2017, 11:42 PM

270AR or 7mm Valkyrie. Both are 6.5x47 Lapua wildcats.

CarJunkieLS1 · January 9, 2017, 02:10 AM

Owning a 7mm Valkyrie and a 30 Rem AR I can tell that if you the max performance from an AR-15 and are a handloader it doesn't get any better than the 7mm Valkyrie. If you want/need factory ammo available even though its kinda expensive ($30/bx) and kinda hard to find then the 30 Rem AR is as good as it gets. All this considering the AR-15 platform outside of that neither of the two mentioned rounds make much sense.

kozak6 · January 9, 2017, 03:19 AM

It's a spicy cartridge for an AR15. It's not that far off from a .308.

Which, I think is the problem. Considering Remington's lack of support, it's cheaper and easier IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY just to go with an AR10 instead.

My secret suspicion was that it wasn't tactical enough. While this is an issue, it seems more like Remington dropped the ball on this one.

Guv · January 9, 2017, 07:34 AM

Remington has a special talent for not properly marketing their new useful cartridges.

shootbrownelk · January 9, 2017, 08:23 AM

I guess that the Remington .30 AR was marketed in the same fashion as the 6mm Remington. Another loser, sales wise anyway. It too was a good cartridge but couldn't compete with Winchester's aggressive marketing of their .243. The .243 was an instant success....the 6mm...not so much.

fourbore · January 9, 2017, 09:13 AM

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Remington has a special talent for not properly marketing their new useful cartridges.

Ha, yes indeed. The 6mm was mentioned, dont forget the 280. Can you believe the world is saddled with a .277 bore instead of a 7mm/06! it is almost like they did this deliberately, because how could a big successful corporation be so dumb.

T. O'Heir · January 9, 2017, 12:49 PM

Most firearms companies are run by the MBA's in the Marketing Dept. They think nothing of discontinuing stuff that doesn't meet their sales projections with total disregard for existing customers.
The .30 AR was another answer to an unasked question. Original R15 used a single stack 4 round mag too.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...-ar-cartridge/

ClaymoreAKM · January 9, 2017, 01:44 PM

.30 AR is going the way of the dodo bird...

A cartridge that had no use, to fill a niche nobody was looking to fill.

January 8, 2017, 01:12 PM	#1
shootbrownelk Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2013 Location: Wyoming Posts: 329	Remington .30 AR cartridge What happened to the Remington .30 AR? I don't see any ammo for it anymore. It is supposedly a better choice ballistics-wise than the .300BO. Why is it dying?

January 8, 2017, 08:34 PM	#4
fourbore Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2015 Location: new england Posts: 1,159	I never hear of it either, I found it in wiki. it is a big boy! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Remington_AR This looks a better to me, but it is a smaller case diameter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5mm_Grendel Last edited by fourbore; January 8, 2017 at 08:41 PM.

January 9, 2017, 07:34 AM	#13
Guv Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2012 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,126	Remington has a special talent for not properly marketing *their* new *useful* cartridges. __________________ Walnut and Gloss Blue, mostly!

January 9, 2017, 12:49 PM	#16
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Most firearms companies are run by the MBA's in the Marketing Dept. They think nothing of discontinuing stuff that doesn't meet their sales projections with total disregard for existing customers. The .30 AR was another answer to an unasked question. Original R15 used a single stack 4 round mag too. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...-ar-cartridge/ __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

January 9, 2017, 01:44 PM	#17
ClaymoreAKM Member Join Date: January 2, 2017 Location: South of the Mason-Dixon NC Posts: 32	.30 AR is going the way of the dodo bird... A cartridge that had no use, to fill a niche nobody was looking to fill. __________________ Love Your Gun? Hate Your Gun? REVIEW YOUR GUN!

January 8, 2017, 02:55 PM	#2
CarJunkieLS1 Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2013 Posts: 686	It beats the brakes off the 300blk ballistically speaking. Poor marketing, poor ammo support, and no brass availability is why it failed. Rifles chambered for it haven't been made in years. And they aren't easy to find now. I bought mine Nov 2015 it was brand new I got 10 boxes of ammo at that time too. With that brass supply and my set of dies I'll not have to worry about brass for a long time.

January 8, 2017, 08:14 PM	#3
O4L Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2015 Posts: 646	I don't remember much about the 30 AR. Does it use the same bolt and magazine as 5.56/.223? I was just thinking recently that I would like to see better option for a 30 caliber AR-15. I forgot all about this one.

January 8, 2017, 08:40 PM	#6
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	"It is supposedly a better choice ballistics-wise than the .300BO" The 6.8 SPC is better than either.

January 8, 2017, 11:42 PM	#10
ed308 Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2016 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 1,147	270AR or 7mm Valkyrie. Both are 6.5x47 Lapua wildcats.

January 9, 2017, 02:10 AM	#11
CarJunkieLS1 Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2013 Posts: 686	Owning a 7mm Valkyrie and a 30 Rem AR I can tell that if you the max performance from an AR-15 and are a handloader it doesn't get any better than the 7mm Valkyrie. If you want/need factory ammo available even though its kinda expensive ($30/bx) and kinda hard to find then the 30 Rem AR is as good as it gets. All this considering the AR-15 platform outside of that neither of the two mentioned rounds make much sense.

January 9, 2017, 03:19 AM	#12
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	It's a spicy cartridge for an AR15. It's not that far off from a .308. Which, I think is the problem. Considering Remington's lack of support, it's cheaper and easier IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY just to go with an AR10 instead. My secret suspicion was that it wasn't tactical enough. While this is an issue, it seems more like Remington dropped the ball on this one.

January 9, 2017, 08:23 AM	#14
shootbrownelk Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2013 Location: Wyoming Posts: 329	I guess that the Remington .30 AR was marketed in the same fashion as the 6mm Remington. Another loser, sales wise anyway. It too was a good cartridge but couldn't compete with Winchester's aggressive marketing of their .243. The .243 was an instant success....the 6mm...not so much.