Dumbest question you ever heard about ammo..

Super-Dave · November 6, 2008, 12:37 PM

I know this is a stupid question but I was wondering.

Suppose you took a standard shell that has a primer and instead of filling it with gun powder you used a few drops of gasoline and then seated the bullet.

Would it fire? Would it be as an efficient burn as gun powder?

Could it be used for reloading if gun powder was unavailable?

Was this the stupidest idea you ever heard?

kraigwy · November 6, 2008, 12:40 PM

I would sudgest sticking to gun powder.

totalloser · November 6, 2008, 01:04 PM

+1 Definitely not within the reach of backyard engineering. My suspicion is that the primer would be contaminated and simply not ignite, but who knows, it could react chemically and let loose on it's own, or form some kind of high order explosive for all I (or we?) know. Be careful.

Scorch · November 6, 2008, 01:11 PM

Would it fire? Not likely, since the solvent nature of the gasoline would probably kill the primer very quickly.

But if the primer were to fire, you would have a bullet stuck in the bore. Reason? Gunpowder is nitrated, which releases oxygen under temperature and pressure, giving the oxygen needed for combustion. Gasoline is not nitrated, and in liquid form it is not combustible, it needs to be vaporized so the vapors can mix with oxygen in order to burn, and there is not enough oxygen in the case to completely burn the gasoline. Ever make a potato gun?

45Marlin carbine · November 6, 2008, 02:56 PM

doubt it would go 'bang'. a small bit of C4 stuck in there however, would. post results if you decide to try.

Khaot1c · November 6, 2008, 03:05 PM

Honestly - this isn't me - but.....I knew this guy once that wanted to make a motor, much like a rocet motor out of a CO2 cartridge. So he drains the CO2 out of the cart and fills the cart with gun powder. he obtained the powder from splitting open numerous 38 special cartidges. Once the cart was filled, he capped the CO2 with wax and a 'cannon fuse' from an unexpended M-80.

Unfortuantly, things did not go as planned. Said individual was driven to the hospitol with fragments of CO2 cartridge in his chest and a slightly mangled hand. The bomb squad was sent to his house to retrive the rest of the 'home made bomb'. There were pieces that could not be removed from the ground-zero picnic table so they just cut the table apart to get the evidence they needed. Fragments were also recovered from a near-by tree.

To make matters worse, the individual (then a teen-ager) was wearing a Tee-shirt which read: "DIE! YUPPIE SCUM"

Ohhh, the tangled webs we weave...............

44Magnum · November 6, 2008, 03:16 PM

Scorch is exactly right. You will not have the proper fuel/air mixture in the case, hence no/very little ignition.

elkman06 · November 6, 2008, 04:54 PM

There is a song rolling around in my head......hmmmm
Oh yeah,,"Too much time on my hands" by Styx
elkman06

LOL. not at you,,,with you.

wncchester · November 6, 2008, 05:02 PM

"Was this the stupidest idea you ever heard?"

Yep. Well, a contender anyway.

MrNiceGuy · November 6, 2008, 05:26 PM

Quote:

and in liquid form it is not combustible, it needs to be vaporized so the vapors can mix with oxygen in order to burn, and there is not enough oxygen in the case to completely burn the gasoline.

exactamundo

it is not combustible, but it is flammable
the best you could hope for was a squib and a little burn off of the excess fuel

it wouldnt fire

mrawesome22 · November 6, 2008, 07:28 PM

Just fill it with ammonium nitrate. You'll get way better results.

Just kidding of course. Don't do it man!!!

Smaug · November 6, 2008, 09:32 PM

No, no, no, yes.

The gas would ruin the primer.

No, it wouldn't be efficient, as gas needs air to burn too.

HoraceHogsnort · November 6, 2008, 10:00 PM

With any luck it'd clean yer barrel fer ya!!

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 · November 6, 2008, 11:47 PM

G'day, how about trying this. Light an oxy acetylene torch, get the flame just right. Then without adjusting the controls, snuff out the flame. Point the torch into a primed case and seat a projectile.
If all goes well then repeat until you have enough for several shots. make sure you put those shots over a chrony to verify muzzle velocity etc.

If things don't go as planned you may be up for a award. I think it is called the DARWIN award.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANY BODY TRY THIS.

What do you think. Might this work?

Edward429451 · November 7, 2008, 12:06 AM

it works with empty milk jugs I (ahem) heard...

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 · November 7, 2008, 12:58 AM

G'day

Quote:

it works with empty milk jugs

Interesting, just wondering what guns can chamber milk jugs?

What size projectiles do they shoot?

where do I get one?

fbrown333@suddenlink · November 7, 2008, 01:28 AM

Roflmao

fbrown333@suddenlink · November 7, 2008, 01:29 AM

Darwinism at its best

/ redneck enjuneerin

The sad thing is some where some one had probably tried some of the more crazy ones.
just too scary for me i'm too old for that now! haha

Shoney · November 7, 2008, 02:23 AM

Is it the stupidest question???????

NO!!!!!!!!

The firearms related question that receives my Grand Prize Winner of the Heeping Handful of Fresh Chicken (only the white part) Poop is; (drum roll please)

Do copper bullets kill coyotes as dead as lead bullets?

butta9999 · November 7, 2008, 02:52 AM

Good one Shoney ha ha ha

+1 to Scorch

And yes its quite stupid

Inspector3711 · November 7, 2008, 04:22 AM

Speaking of chickens and guns.. I work where there is a chicken gun... We shoot a chicken out of a gun...

Shoney · November 7, 2008, 04:30 AM

Does your chicken gun have the same effect on chickens as Quakeres gun has on rice????

How big are the groups????? 4 by 8 or more like 10 by 10?????

jpwilly · November 7, 2008, 06:45 PM

^^ So you fire chickens at airplane parts to see what happens or do you just hate chickens that can't fly?

nate45 · November 7, 2008, 07:06 PM

You'll be OK if you use Premium or better yet Jet or Racing fuel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorch

But if the primer were to fire, you would have a bullet stuck in the bore. Reason? Gunpowder is nitrated, which releases oxygen under temperature and pressure, giving the oxygen needed for combustion. Gasoline is not nitrated, and in liquid form it is not combustible

Scorch is correct and about the only result you would get, if any, would be the same as if you tried to fire a bullet with only a primer and no powder in the case. When welders want to weld on a fuel tank they fill it all the way up the liquid gasoline won't ignite, but the fumes readily will.

TheNatureBoy · November 9, 2008, 07:43 AM

Some of the answers have been dumber than the questions.

November 6, 2008, 12:37 PM	#1
Super-Dave Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 795	Dumbest question you ever heard about ammo.. I know this is a stupid question but I was wondering. Suppose you took a standard shell that has a primer and instead of filling it with gun powder you used a few drops of gasoline and then seated the bullet. Would it fire? Would it be as an efficient burn as gun powder? Could it be used for reloading if gun powder was unavailable? Was this the stupidest idea you ever heard? __________________ If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. George Orwell

November 6, 2008, 12:40 PM	#2
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	I would sudgest sticking to gun powder. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

November 6, 2008, 01:04 PM	#3
totalloser Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2007 Location: Fort Bragg, CA Posts: 679	+1 Definitely not within the reach of backyard engineering. My suspicion is that the primer would be contaminated and simply not ignite, but who knows, it could react chemically and let loose on it's own, or form some kind of high order explosive for all I (or we?) know. Be careful. __________________ You only truly believe in freedom if you believe in the freedom of those you disagree.

November 6, 2008, 01:11 PM	#4
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	Would it fire? Not likely, since the solvent nature of the gasoline would probably kill the primer very quickly. But if the primer were to fire, you would have a bullet stuck in the bore. Reason? Gunpowder is nitrated, which releases oxygen under temperature and pressure, giving the oxygen needed for combustion. Gasoline is not nitrated, and in liquid form it is not combustible, it needs to be vaporized so the vapors can mix with oxygen in order to burn, and there is not enough oxygen in the case to completely burn the gasoline. Ever make a potato gun? __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

November 6, 2008, 04:54 PM	#8
elkman06 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2006 Location: Wyoming Posts: 885	There is a song rolling around in my head......hmmmm Oh yeah,,"Too much time on my hands" by Styx elkman06 LOL. not at you,,,with you. __________________ "The right of the citizens to bear arms in the defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied." Wyoming Constitution Article 1, Sec24 "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

November 6, 2008, 02:56 PM	#5
45Marlin carbine Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2007 Location: South-Western North Carolina Posts: 1,124	doubt it would go 'bang'. a small bit of C4 stuck in there however, would. post results if you decide to try.

November 6, 2008, 03:05 PM	#6
Khaot1c Member Join Date: March 14, 2008 Location: Florida Panhandle Posts: 54	Honestly - this isn't me - but.....I knew this guy once that wanted to make a motor, much like a rocet motor out of a CO2 cartridge. So he drains the CO2 out of the cart and fills the cart with gun powder. he obtained the powder from splitting open numerous 38 special cartidges. Once the cart was filled, he capped the CO2 with wax and a 'cannon fuse' from an unexpended M-80. Unfortuantly, things did not go as planned. Said individual was driven to the hospitol with fragments of CO2 cartridge in his chest and a slightly mangled hand. The bomb squad was sent to his house to retrive the rest of the 'home made bomb'. There were pieces that could not be removed from the ground-zero picnic table so they just cut the table apart to get the evidence they needed. Fragments were also recovered from a near-by tree. To make matters worse, the individual (then a teen-ager) was wearing a Tee-shirt which read: "DIE! YUPPIE SCUM" Ohhh, the tangled webs we weave...............

November 6, 2008, 03:16 PM	#7
44Magnum Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Posts: 325	Scorch is exactly right. You will not have the proper fuel/air mixture in the case, hence no/very little ignition.

November 6, 2008, 05:02 PM	#9
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	"Was this the stupidest idea you ever heard?" Yep. Well, a contender anyway.

November 6, 2008, 07:28 PM	#11
mrawesome22 Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2005 Location: Ohio, Appalachia's foothills. Posts: 3,779	Just fill it with ammonium nitrate. You'll get way better results. Just kidding of course. Don't do it man!!!

November 6, 2008, 09:32 PM	#12
Smaug Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2004 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 3,210	No, no, no, yes. The gas would ruin the primer. No, it wouldn't be efficient, as gas needs air to burn too. __________________ -Jeremy "Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." - Eric Hoffer

November 6, 2008, 10:00 PM	#13
HoraceHogsnort Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Stanislaus Co., Mexifornia Posts: 615	With any luck it'd clean yer barrel fer ya!!

November 6, 2008, 11:47 PM	#14
SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2008 Location: Far Nth Wst QLD Australia Posts: 992	G'day, how about trying this. Light an oxy acetylene torch, get the flame just right. Then without adjusting the controls, snuff out the flame. Point the torch into a primed case and seat a projectile. If all goes well then repeat until you have enough for several shots. make sure you put those shots over a chrony to verify muzzle velocity etc. If things don't go as planned you may be up for a award. I think it is called the DARWIN award. I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANY BODY TRY THIS. What do you think. Might this work? __________________ If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough! When you're confused, I'll try to use smaller words!!!

November 7, 2008, 12:06 AM	#15
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	it works with empty milk jugs I (ahem) heard...

November 7, 2008, 01:28 AM	#17
fbrown333@suddenlink Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 240	? Roflmao __________________ Accuracy over volume

November 7, 2008, 01:29 AM	#18
fbrown333@suddenlink Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 240	Darwinism at its best/ redneck enjuneerin The sad thing is some where some one had probably tried some of the more crazy ones. just too scary for me i'm too old for that now! haha __________________ Accuracy over volume

November 7, 2008, 02:23 AM	#19
Shoney Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2002 Location: Transplanted from Montana Posts: 2,311	Is it the stupidest question??????? NO!!!!!!!! The firearms related question that receives my Grand Prize Winner of the Heeping Handful of Fresh Chicken (only the white part) Poop is; (drum roll please) Do copper bullets kill coyotes as dead as lead bullets? __________________ I pledge allegiance to the Flag - - -, and to the Republic for which it stands….Our Forefathers were brilliant for giving us a Republic, not a democracy! Do you know the difference??? and WHY?http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=111

November 7, 2008, 02:52 AM	#20
butta9999 Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2008 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Posts: 692	Good one Shoney ha ha ha +1 to Scorch And yes its quite stupid __________________ Knowledge is Power!

November 7, 2008, 04:22 AM	#21
Inspector3711 Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2008 Location: Puget Sound Washington Posts: 1,553	Speaking of chickens and guns.. I work where there is a chicken gun... We shoot a chicken out of a gun... __________________ "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." The Dalai Llama (5/15/01, The Seattle Times) "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." George Orwell

November 7, 2008, 04:30 AM	#22
Shoney Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2002 Location: Transplanted from Montana Posts: 2,311	Does your chicken gun have the same effect on chickens as Quakeres gun has on rice???? How big are the groups????? 4 by 8 or more like 10 by 10????? __________________ I pledge allegiance to the Flag - - -, and to the Republic for which it stands….Our Forefathers were brilliant for giving us a Republic, not a democracy! Do you know the difference??? and WHY?http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=111

November 7, 2008, 06:45 PM	#23
jpwilly Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 539	^^ So you fire chickens at airplane parts to see what happens or do you just hate chickens that can't fly? __________________ "Rats & roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand; it is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice & mercy." - Wendell Berry

November 9, 2008, 07:43 AM	#25
TheNatureBoy Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2007 Posts: 1,204	Some of the answers have been dumber than the questions.