April 12, 2012, 06:53 PM | #1 | |||
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So Confused!!!
So, was thinking about selling one or more of my C&Bs on this forum as I can see it is done frequently by other members, but I have become confused and mired in all of the ATF legalese gobbledegook.
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So, what am I missing here? Please help this noob understand the process of selling and shipping C&Bs. If you can help me, perhaps this can also serve to educate any future novices who might have the same concerns. tl:dr. sorry about that |
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The Fed's don't consider them to be the same as firearms, the Post Office doesn't consider them to be the same as firearms, some states do but most states don't for the purpose of merchandise transactions. Last edited by arcticap; April 12, 2012 at 07:13 PM. |
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As arcticap correctly states, the key is the use of the word 'firearm' in the two regulations that confuse you. Antique firearms are not considered firearms by BATFE, so any reference to firearms, without the adjective antique in front of it, does not apply to antique firearms.
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April 12, 2012, 08:01 PM | #4 |
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ATF doesn't care & neither does the PO.
Sell & mail all you want, as long as there are no local ordinances that prohibit. Denis |
April 12, 2012, 08:08 PM | #5 |
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Just don't send to NYC!!!!!
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April 12, 2012, 09:13 PM | #6 |
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You can send anywhere you want. It's the receiver that has to deal with state/local laws and ordinances.
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April 12, 2012, 10:23 PM | #7 |
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AH HA!
Ahhhhhhh, ok. I get it now
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NYC doesn't care what the Feds allow. Once it's in someone's hand in the city a cap & ball in their book is a gun. I believe even an attempt to mail it to NYC is a problem. A pre '98 to them is a gun. All guns, including handguns and long guns in NYC must be registered. PC Kelly and Mayor Bloomberg ain't fool'n around. You're dealing with a nutty town. A loaded illegal gun gets you 2 years in the joint, period. Don't listen to me, talk to the professional football player who accidentally shot himself in the leg in a city nightclub with his legally registered in Fla. gun. Say hello for me, cause I think he may have another year left in his sentence.
Everywhere else in NY a c & b is legal. To load it you must get a permit first and register it as a handgun and that's in the entire state. As a matter of fact a pre '98 cartridge handgun in NYS is considered an antique and legal to possess without a license only if the calibre is obsolete. Only problem is there's a grey area in the law and no one commits to which ones they are. Quote to them what the ATF says is legal under federal law and the authorities will laugh in your face while throwing the cuffs on you. No ammo, open assist knives, no B-B guns, no guns period, except to an FFL are allowed. Well, you can always try and let everyone know how you make out, after all what do I know being retired NYPD? Then again, I've been out quite a while and maybe NYC's become an accepting gun loving city since then. Lots of luck in your endeavors sandman. Just remember, this ain't Henderson! |
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Well...
...depending upon what it is, you could send it to me.
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Noble fellow, Doc Hoy. We should all have friends like him who are so willing to save us from the law.
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April 13, 2012, 08:41 AM | #11 |
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Guys....
....It is very difficult but I am willing to make the sacrifice.
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April 13, 2012, 09:37 AM | #12 |
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I'll just be a bit more noble and pay for the shipping to me.
If you have some that need to find a good, loving home and don't want to get in trouble with the law in your jurisdiction.
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It's an honor to be appreciated by such a plethera of knowledgeable and extremely mature senior members of an apparent private club. Even at my age I can see there's much more for me to learn and I will surely try to do my best.
It just makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to help any well intentioned law abiding citizen not to make a mistake, which would cause them to be given a degrading cavity search, while incarcerated. But even I at times can be mistaken and when not sure about something will say that. Being accepted as one of the good old boys is a wonderful thing, but I think showing a little respect, or courtesy by addressing statements regarding my posts to me directly would be more of the man thing to do. It's been just lovely. |
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Hey gunsmoke....
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April 13, 2012, 02:56 PM | #16 |
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Hello dere zullo
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April 13, 2012, 10:14 PM | #17 |
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All of you folks are awesome in both knowledge and humor.
p.s. NY gets NO guns from me! |
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Now that's intelligent!
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What humor?
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What's funny is reading the poor attempts at humor by some. After all, humor is in the eye of the beholder. Since the subject discussed has come to a good conclusion closing this thread down would now be justified and for some should be hysterical!
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OK, now finally that's what I call funny!
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At least as funny as...
...the pot calling the kettle a disparaging term.
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April 14, 2012, 07:47 PM | #24 |
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The pot calling the kettle black? My oh my, that sure came outta left field. My wife like most woman just has to get in the last word, even when she's not part of the conversation. In a nice way I hope that's direct enough and ends now, since the original subject matter is no longer being discussed? This thread no longer serves a useful purpose.
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