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November 19, 2009, 05:01 PM | #1 |
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Useful (less?) Hunting Cartridges.
North American game only here. What is the most useful cartridge to hit the scene since the outing of Remington's 260 in 1997? In my mind, which is limited I'm sure, there is nothing. The 300WSM and the 270WSM are neat, but what do they do? I can think of zero niche here. What does a WSM do that a regular magnum or regular 30-06 brass-based-cartridge cannot do? The 17HMR is perhaps the best exception to my assertion. Nice little round.
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November 19, 2009, 05:08 PM | #2 |
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The one I'm totally surprised hasn't taken off is the .300 Ruger Short Mag. It is an extremely efficient cartridge - reaching terminal velocity in a short barreled rifle. It has very low recoil and hits almost as hard as a .300 Win Mag. The downside is extremely hard to find ammo and only a handful of rifles are chambered in it.
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November 19, 2009, 05:16 PM | #3 |
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I like the new Ruger rounds .204 and .375. The .204 gives you .22-250 performance burning less powder. Same with .375 Ruger giving you .375 H&H performance in a standard long action with a 20" barrel. I don't know about the .416 Ruger nor any of the RCM chambers but the two I mentioned have got me hooked since I own both.
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November 19, 2009, 06:15 PM | #4 |
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It's about performance in a certain action size... The 375 Ruger (works in standard long actions), the 338 federal (works in an AR10), and the AR15 calibers like 6.8 SPC, 6.5 grendel, 30 RemAR, and the 458 socom. -tINY |
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November 19, 2009, 06:56 PM | #6 |
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I'd have to go with the .338 Federal or the 6.5 Grendel.
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November 19, 2009, 06:56 PM | #7 |
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To quote Col. Cooper.....
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Q: "What is it FOR?" A: "Why, to SELL, of course!" The best rifle is the one you have, in that most people cannot shoot up to their rifle in field situations....... so rather than going out to buy the latest, greatest, superduper XZR MagnumbBlastamatic....... instead, spend the money on practice and training with the rifle you have already. |
November 19, 2009, 07:06 PM | #8 | |
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I think it's more so a profit that was sought, not so much "filling a niche". Maybe filling a niche in an interested BUYERS mind, not so much Filling a Particular Gap in Cartridge Performance, as if increased performance is actually needed......????? Wanting to get "Magnum Power" from a Short Action Cartridge? Why is that? New Market/New Product Profit. |
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November 19, 2009, 07:12 PM | #9 |
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But "Newly" Introduced Cartridges.......Hmmmm..... I'll have to look that over. My favorite Centerfire Rifle Cartridge is 85 years old...
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November 19, 2009, 10:55 PM | #10 |
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seems to me like a new round comes out every other week.all my calibers are tried and true.i will just stick with them. 3/4 of the new calibers out now wont even be here in a year or two..on top of that how much is a box of ammo gonna cost for that new caliber..
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November 19, 2009, 10:56 PM | #11 |
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The new Ruger rounds...they do what they do in a 20 inch barrel. That is new and useful.
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November 20, 2009, 12:20 AM | #12 |
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Most of the "Super Duper Ultra Magnums" are pointless IMO.
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November 20, 2009, 03:08 AM | #13 |
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ridgerunner i agree with you on the new ruger caliber's,sometimes you cover alot of ground hunting,thats when the smaller,lighter rifle with plenty of power comes in real handy..ruger hit the nail on the head!
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November 20, 2009, 03:38 AM | #14 |
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I bought a 7mm WSM for my first long range rifle. I hadn't had a need for one till then. My Marlin 30-30 was always enough. I got it for the few extra FPS, also I liked the idea of a short action. And I liked the 7mm. It wasn't the "new cool" round for me to buy. It fit me and my specs.
I don't understand trashing a particular round just because you don't think it's necessary. If no body came up with new interesting rounds...where would we be? Definately wouldn't have the 7mm-08, .243, the ever loved .270 Win, and the list is endless. Some haven't cought on, some became household staples. But I would have to agree with the .17HMR. I think a gap was definately filled there.
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November 20, 2009, 03:59 AM | #15 |
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Q: "What is it FOR?"
A: "Why, to SELL, of course!" ----------------------------- The companies must find ways to sell more products and to charge more for ammo. It's strange how new caliber ammo costs so much more than the regular stuff, yet isn't really much different than calibers already on the market. A couple of years ago, I wrote on some board that very shortly, we'd be looking at that time as being the "good old days". Ammo was plentiful and much cheaper than today. I bought boxes of .270 and .30-06 ammo at Wally World after the hunting season for $11 a box. I compared that price to the $12.75 I used to pay for the same ammo back in 1959!!! Last week, I tried to find some .30-06 Remington 165 grain Core Locts for my son, because he likes the ammo and it shoots fantastic in his Rem 700 (my old deer rifle). Dicks, Wally's, and Cabelas were out. Wally's didn't have a box of .30-06 of any kind. Primers, rifle and handgun ammo are being rationed at many places. Forget trying to find inexpensive shotgun ammo with anything larger than #7 1/2 shot at Wally's or Dicks. These are the new dark days of shooting, folks. Not since the Vietnam era have we seen such shortages and cost increases on shooting products. |
November 20, 2009, 04:44 AM | #16 |
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Ammo Availability
I have to admit ammunition is getting extremely hard to get my grubby lil hands on. Even Walmart has dried up on everything except the few boxes of nine and 45. I remember when they used to carry a large variety. I bought i think 5 boxes of 30-30 Federal for $9 a box and 5 of 30-06 for 11.99 a box while i was stationed at fort lewis, wa. Cabelas has quite a surplus
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November 20, 2009, 12:23 PM | #17 |
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"Most Useful"? Not any particular one; there are multitudes available. This is sort of a "best all-around cartridge" deal, seems like. That poor old horse is pretty well beaten down.
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November 20, 2009, 12:28 PM | #18 |
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No need.....
.....for any new cartridges sinde the 1960's. In fact, before WWII, all you would ever need has already been invented. "Oh, but what about .44 magnum?", you say. We had .45 Colt and .357. What about .243 Winchester? We had .250 Savage. We also had .220 Swift, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Swede, .270 Winchester, 7mm Mauser, .30-30 Winchester, .300 Savage, .30-06 Springfield, .300 H&H, 8mm Mauser, .348 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .375 H&H, .45-70, and several African big-bores. Even today, a lot of American hunters routinely hunt with cartridges invented in the 1800's, [mainly .30-30, .45-70, .45 Colt and .38-55 Winchester]. We don't need anymore cartridges but we humans are seldom free of greed for more. Some people just have to have a new car every year. It's the same thing.
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